- 06-28-2007, 03:33 PM #76
- 06-28-2007, 03:35 PM #77
- 06-28-2007, 03:39 PM #78
I don't use GSM, nor do I travel abroad often so this is a non-issue for me. However, one argument that people constantly bring up about the benefit of GSM is what I mentioned about using pre-paid SIM cards.
I understand the nature of the device makes it rely on Apple servers for functionality (at least some) and that AT&T wants that device as exclusive. Fine, that is understandable.
But it is relevant and still a limit on the device. I have not taken the position that any of these omission will limit sales, cause negative reviews or make it a terrible device. It does not mean though we cannot discuss what are some interesting limitations on a device that proclaims to be so advanced from everything we use today. In some areas, yes, others no.
- 06-28-2007, 03:43 PM #79
- 06-28-2007, 03:45 PM #80
- 06-28-2007, 03:45 PM #81
- 06-28-2007, 03:46 PM #82
- 06-28-2007, 03:47 PM #83Originally Posted by archie
11. Large 3.5 inch screen. Biggest camera view screen ever made.
Obviously the full screen viewfinder on the HTC Universal, which has a 3.6 inch screen, is bigger.
12. Thinnest phone available anywhere.
The Samsung x828 is only 6.9 mm.
14. The most readable text (fonts) of any handheld device ever made.
How so? Does it use cleartype on a VGA screen with a higher DPI? Like my HTC Universal? I dont think so.
15. Largest dialing keypad available on any mobile phone for easy number entry
See above on my HTC Universal, not to mention the HTC Advantage with its 5 inch screen.
My HTC Touch has that.
18. THE BEST mobile browsing experience... period.
Without Java and Flash I think there must be many devices with higher screen resolutions which work better. UMPC's are also mobile device BTW. MySpace will work loverly on an IPhone - not!
21. Internet content is not determined by the carrier (who wants to sell the user something), as is the case with every other phone that can utilize the internet.
My internet is perfectly unencumbered, thank you.
23. Access to YouTube videos with no extra charge. This is unlike other offerings where carries have mobile video plans that use the walled garden approach: accessible only with a monthly charge and giving only short clips.
Heard of m.youtube.com?
25. Push-IMAP support like a Blackberry, not that fake pushing
I think you will find your Yahoo IMAP push is as fake as any other IMAP Idle push.
35. The iPhone screen façade can actually be quickly and simply wiped clean with its unique edgeless, no-bezel design. This is to say nothing of the specially selected screen material chosen for use with grimy, greasy fingers.
LG PRADA, HTC Touch and every non-touch screen phone disagree with you.
36. An external speaker (for speakerphone functionality AND iPod use) that doesn't get covered up when you lay it down like every other phone on the market.
My HTC Universal with its dual stereo speakers on the edge disagrees with you.
- 06-28-2007, 03:48 PM #84
- 06-28-2007, 03:48 PM #85
- 06-28-2007, 03:50 PM #86
Still... I have to say that there are other things that I appreciate about the iPhone that are not on the list: some that other phones do have and some that I thought of just now that other phones don't have.
Like those ugly scroll bars that take up screen real-estate. Apple allows scrolling of course but the scroll bars are context sensitive and cleanly implemented.
- 06-28-2007, 03:51 PM #87
#18 only applies to Wifi connections, which is not that mobile. Waiting 2 mins for a web page to load over EDGE is not "THE BEST".
#21 is false as every WM has open access to the full internet. You can even select 3rd party proxy servers like opendns.com for faster DNS resolution.
#22 Gmaps looks the same on WM except for resolution/screen size. We get directions, Traffic, etc. Not sure what is different. It even intergrates with address book.
#23 On WM devices you can, albeit clumsily, download and view any Youtube content. On the Helio you can bypass their charge just by hopping to a different page. On WM devices (AKU 3+) you can use HTC's streaming video application (free) to stream any Youtube video.
#25 There are many solutions for this on WM including eMoze, PushEffect, etc. That's also besides free Exchange hosting for push email and full syncing.
Hotmail is also push now on WM6.
"Real" push from Yahoo? Sounds quite lame. You have to pay to have it reflect a business/professional email address when sent.
#29 is nice except you have to pay international roaming charges, as opposed to just popping in a new SIM card. Very expensive.
#36 Pogue said the speaker is "weak" for conference calls (vibrate was weak too). Devices like the Moto Q have nubs on them so that the speaker is not flush with a hard surface. Plus it has two and they are stereo.
- 06-28-2007, 03:52 PM #88
- 06-28-2007, 03:53 PM #89
I'm not following on the carrier data service - Sprint data services are wide open...and the "squishing" of pages is by the browser app; there are browsers that left you go "full page" (that said, the Safari mobile edition looks pretty slick on Wi-fi; I'm not knocking it.)
- 06-28-2007, 03:54 PM #90
- 06-28-2007, 03:56 PM #91
- 06-28-2007, 03:58 PM #92
I actually missed that Archie claimed ALL of the things on the list are unique.
Here's my list of positives that no other phone has which is justification for me in sacrificing a couple of features.
29. It uses a quad-band GSM radio which allows it to be used in every country except Japan.
Archie, Archie, archie...
- 06-28-2007, 03:59 PM #93
- 06-28-2007, 04:05 PM #94
- 06-28-2007, 04:10 PM #95
- 06-28-2007, 04:26 PM #96
#21 and #23....by the sounds of it you have to manipulate or do something different than what the out of the box device allows for. as for the youtube reference, you have to go through a couple of steps (so to speak) to get what it is that you're after. am i close?
#25....you need a 3rd party application to get what you want
#29....is there an expense/cost associated to this alternative of yours?
- 06-28-2007, 04:40 PM #97
- 06-28-2007, 04:43 PM #98
The youtube.com you do have to go through one step: installing the program. Unless you buy a certain new HTC devices that come with that app natively--then it's no different than any other device using m.youtube.com. In other words, it just happens that it was ripped and you can install it on just about any WM device in 1-click via a .cab file.
Then it's just going to the m.youtube.com site and clicking a link, nothing more.
The brute force method (downloading the file) take an extra step: you have to copy/paste (lol, sorry...) the video tag to a "handler" program (free) that downloads the vid and then opens it via TCMP. The benefit is great resolution as those are not m.youtube, but full youtube.
Whether those are better or worse than Yahoo is a personal decision.
The other options are just that: options. Pusheffect is very fast and can turn any email account in the world into Push. That's nice, but you need unlimited SMS. Emoze (free) will also begin pushing Gmail soon, all server side not a pc re-route.
a) not having a "special" GSM card or
b) having a 2nd "open SIM" slot that works with any SIM card
Either could have been done I suppose had they wanted to.
Certain HTC devices do m.youtube streaming natively, they also do Exchange Push and Hotmail push natively. And if they are a GSM device, they can obviously take other SIM cards for international usage.
If not an HTC device, then yes...it sometimes requires installing a piece of software.
- 06-28-2007, 04:44 PM #99
The HTC's camera view-finder isn't full screen.
You said, "Without Java and Flash I think there must be many devices with higher screen resolutions which work better. UMPC's are also mobile device BTW."
Yeh, I really want to hold a UMPC up to my ear.
Addressing Flash, recent comments from the likes of Steve Jobs and David Pogue and an Adobe person, whose name escapes me right now, are suggesting that the iPhone will indeed get Flash.
The Samsung x828 isn't that same thinness throughout the whole length of the phone. Plus, can't buy it here anyway.
YouTube application doesn't have the browser overhead. Plus the iPhone will get the content via streaming AND it is scalable depending on EDGE connection or the amount of bandwidth through wi-fi.
By the way, how much do you pay for your data?
In regards to the iPhone's push email, it might interest you to know that it supports the open standard developed by Oracle (this is what Yahoo uses). So it is definitely NOT fake and it definitely IS the most efficient available - easy on the battery.
LG PRADA, HTC Touch! Come on, you know these are no where near the same as what Apple offers.
Addressing the the HTC Universal's speakers, I just checked and it has to be open to use those speakers. If you set it down without first unfolding it, it covers up that tiny phone speaker - which as usual is placed on the back, covered up.
- 06-28-2007, 04:48 PM #100iPhone Newbie
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I love when people get so hooked on a product that pulling "facts out of thin air" like statements like this "Here's my list of positives that no other phone has which is justification for me in sacrificing a couple of features" get just ripped apart. I don't know why people can't just sit back and think about stuff they want to say and figure out if its even true before going onto a forum and posting like how archie posted and damn that must have taken him a long time to write and just having it being so false.
I just find that funny... now Im all for people loving products but don't sit there and try to convice people about it with false info. Now I do think its a very cool idea to have an ipod with all its features combined with a phone but its nothing we haven't seen before. Don't try and convice people so adamently with out actually knowing the facts.
People are really getting heated up in this debate and its over nothing. Discuss the pros/cons but don't force your opinion so harshly on other people.