Even newer iPhone details
Just to keep you guys drooling (or cursing) at the mouth! Over at engadget.com
Remember the winning Engadget commercial, "The Long Arm of Steve Jobs"? We posted it after the break, but finding someone who's spent some serious time with a pre-launch iPhone and getting them to talk is basically a lot like that. Still, we managed to smuggle out some freshly leaked details from a very trusted inside source who's been fooling around with a unit. Here's what they had to say:
* The keyboard was simply described as "disappointing". Keyboarding with two thumbs often registers multiple key presses (two or three at a time) resulting in a lot of mistakes. The best way to type is with a single finger (as shown in most of Apple's demos), but two thumbs is supposedly very difficult. After trying it for a number of days our source gave up using their thumbs.
* The text auto-correction only works well for simple words, but doesn't work for proper names. We can only assume this bit will get better with time as Apple fills out its predictive text dictionary.
* "It won't replace a BlackBerry. It's not good for text input. It's just not a business product."
* The touchscreen was said to, in general, require somewhat hard presses to register input, and needs some getting used to.
* In addition to its dock, the iPhone comes packaged with a polishing cloth (the thing's supposedly a fingerprint magnet, no surprise) and the usual smallish power adapter.
* The Bluetooth headset will debut in the $120 range, and will come with its own dock for charging both the phone and the headset. The headset will feature a miniature magnetic charging interface á la MagSafe.
* The Bluetooth headset has a hidden LED and is supposedly a very small and elegant device. Sound quality is said to be "typical". There is no clip; like many headsets you're expected to just let it hang out of your ear, as previously shown.
* The browser "worked well" but page load speeds on EDGE were just as slow as expected. It sounds like 3G users will have a tough run with this.
* Users must scroll through the address book (or use the alphabet-drag on the side) -- one cannot bring up the keyboard and type in a name, as many of us are used to.
* Shocker: YouTube over EDGE didn't work well at all, and will basically necessitate use of WiFi.
- 06-23-2007, 06:02 PM #2
The level of iHate is pretty high in that thread. I guess not everyone wants the iPhone after all.
I think this is Achie.
Man as an iPhone fan I finally know what it was like for those Christians that the Roman's persecuted. Why all the hate?
- 06-23-2007, 06:20 PM #3
The "it's not a Blackberry" statement: I sort of suspected that one. But not good for text input means a no-go for sure, if true.
Lack of 3G for heavy pages=slow, I suspected that too. Cannot watch video over the cool screen unless wifi is on? Battery drain.
Maybe I'll just get the BT headset since it should work with more than just the iPhone, right?
P.S. I just saw the picture of the BT headset, no thanks if that's the final design.
- 06-23-2007, 06:21 PM #4
I liked this post (in response to: I find it really interesting that people seem so quick to jump on the "the touchscreen keyboard must suck" bandwagon without having tried or gotten used to it. Doesn't this basically fall into the "it's just a matter of opinion" category?)
No, it isn't just a matter of opinion. People have been using handheld devices with on-screen soft keyboards for over a decade now, and with the exception of Apple's new product, every other company has found that when communication is the primary function, a hardware keyboard functions better. That is why even companies like Palm/Handspring, which were really big supporters of touchscreen devices, eventually went with a hardware keyboard. In fact, except for Apple, you will have a hard time finding any dedicated communication device that doesn't have a hardware keyboard. That isn't because no one else thought of using an on-screen keyboard, it is because they just don't work well for heavy input. That isn't in my opinion, that is objectively provable through many years of experimentation by multiple device manufacturers.
I'd recommend anyone wanting to know if the iPhone keyboard will work for them try out Mini-Keyboard for Palm OS. If you find that better than a Treo keyboard then maybe the iPhone will work for you.
- 06-23-2007, 06:54 PM #6
Lack of 3G for heavy pages=slow, I suspected that too.
Oh well, you've got to suffer for fashion, apparently. :evil:
- 06-23-2007, 06:55 PM #7
hardly a surprise that it won't be replacing a blackberry or a real business type device.
great info on the keyboard though, pecking with a finger to help your chances of not hitting a letter twice doesn't sound like a feature either.
still going to try one out
- 06-23-2007, 06:56 PM #8
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- 06-23-2007, 07:09 PM #10
As I have said, it's a PMP with a phone thrown in. Sexy, slick, and limited.
For $2,600, I'll pass on this version.
I'm going contrarian and saying once all the de-hype leaks, they will not sell as many as expected. (or it will be a popular PMP, and people will still have another phone.
- 06-23-2007, 07:12 PM #11
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- 06-23-2007, 07:35 PM #14
Why do you have so much ill-will towards Apple but like Windows so much? Of the two products and two companies I personally would prefer Apple any day, taking away price or necessities for my work. I hate Windows. I thought it might improve with Vista but it's far worse.
- 06-23-2007, 07:44 PM #15
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- 06-23-2007, 07:55 PM #17
Just slloooowwww even on what I would consider a fairly fast machine. I'm going to turn off all the bells and whistles very soon, I hope that helps. I just also don't think the same as Windows developers I guess. For a home machine I think Macs are much easier to deal with, and the integration of all the iApps is really nice. Just I let specs convince me Windows was a better value but I should have known better. The HP hardware is nice though.
- 06-23-2007, 07:56 PM #18
Why dont we hear as much about the latest Vaio's, or Samsung's latest 800x480 finger print reading GPS HSDPA phone? Dont they deserve any attention?
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- 06-23-2007, 08:03 PM #20
It's blatantly obvious that this device is not meant as a serious competitor for the Windows Mobile/Blackberry suite in the Enterprise world. It's a shame that the fact will be missed by the vast majority of critics out there.
I'm waiting for Top Gear to run a review of the Scaglietti and ***** about the lack of practicality for today's large shopping trips at Costco et. al. Because really, that's what much of the criticism of the iPhone is like. Let's grossly misunderstand the target market of the device, then we'll make silly judgement calls about the devices usability and turn that into a critical review.
- 06-23-2007, 08:08 PM #21
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- 06-23-2007, 08:28 PM #23
The Windows Mobile and Blackberry devices are primarily Enterprise devices. You can look at both the historical marketing and current trends to see that. There are plenty of "consumer" users who use these devices too, but primarily they're after the Enterprise end of the market.
The iPhone on the other hand, is an Internet enabled iPod that makes phone calls and bundles in other features.
Take a look at what's missing from the iPhone:
* Exchange Server support for OTA syncing
* Outlook syncing (even desktop based)
* Tactile keyboard
So either Apple are aiming at the Enterprise market to directly compete against the Blackberry/WM devices on their primary turf and Apple just happened to have COMPLETELY dropped the ball and using my absolute prodigal genius and superlative earth shattering intelletct I've just single handedly blown their whole marketing scheme completely wide open and exposed the vulnerabilities that their army of service development staff didn't in years of product roadmaps. Or they're aiming for a multimedia device with phone capabilities aimed at the consumer market
I'm voting that it's primarily a consumer device.
That doesn't mean that the devices cannot be compared, nor that the devices cannot cross over. Just like you really CAN do our shopping in a Ferrari if you like. But these things should be considered before purchasing/reviewing such devices (or cars).
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- 06-23-2007, 08:39 PM #25
All this may change later this month when Apple plans to unveil the iPhone. According to a person close to Apple, the company is expected to fight for this market, currently dominated by players like BlackBerry's RIM, Palm Inc. and, increasingly, Nokia Corp. and Motorola.
You are really tricking yourself into believe this, aren't you? :shake: