- 06-25-2007, 10:14 AM #201iMore Intermediate
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I don't need GPS on a handheld device either. Last year I was in San Francisco (I live in Los Angeles). I wanted to find a nice place to eat, so I whipped out my BB Pearl (my device at the time) and opened Google Maps and viola! I found a Houston's restaurant. In my opinion, I don't want to carry around another device (GPS puck) and I just know how to read a map and get around. All that was needed to find this restaurant was to figure out where I was and which direction the restaurant was. I found it without a problem in a city that I am unfamiliar with. Plus for driving, I have it already in my Acura.
- 06-25-2007, 10:35 AM #202
But I never use a mobile GPS, unless I am in the great outdoors.
The Treo 700WX with MS Live and/or Google Maps works just fine when I am in a new city.
True, it might not be as flexbile as mobile GPS, but the added bulk is not worth it to me.
- 06-25-2007, 10:45 AM #203
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- 06-25-2007, 10:55 AM #205
I was going to pick this up for my wife, but I think I've finally seen my deal killer, but will wait for sure. She'd use it for simple contact use, calendar, email and web. She doesn't need an 1/8th of what a treo will do and would have benefited from the likely very user friendly interface and probably 99% increase in reliability over a treo,
You can only scroll through contacts and can't search by typing a name or company name? I have 750 contacts many ppl have a couple thousand in their treos. That's rediculous. If you can't easily make a call from your contacts, what's the point. I guess you could watch a movie while it scrolls through?
- 06-25-2007, 11:03 AM #206
- 06-25-2007, 11:57 AM #207
Blackberrys are very nice devices, but I don't like the fact that I have such limited choices in mobile phones when it comes to push email because the server end is proprietary. It would be far better for the industry if everybody used the same standard just like good ol' IMAP, and I'm not forced to choose a specific smartphone vendor for something that seems so basic as getting emails as soon as they arrive.
I don't have 100% faith this will actually happen, but I'm hoping all those corporate CEO's who buy iPhones by the handful will actually do the market some good for a change by inadvertently forcing IT departments to use open standards. Or, if push IMAP becomes a consumer email standard where anybody can get their push email without having a company setting it up for them, then corporate IT will have that much more pressure to use the open standard.
- 06-25-2007, 12:37 PM #208
Again FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW
For those of you who type hundreds of 8 word emails from; Call me later, The price is $xxxxx, and Check out my Slingbox! this might not be the phone for you.
If you get your email through exchange and have to have your latest calendar appointment of "stop and get milk" updated that second to your phone and computer the iPHONE isn't for you.
If you are part of a small business not running EXCHANGE and you get all your email via POP or IMAP and you don't need, still wonder how many people actually edit that 500 column excel spreadsheet on their phones in real life anyways, to edit attachments but just want to review them and you send 40 to 50 emails a day of the 8 word type above or longer the iPHONE should work fine.
You can't make an assumption on how the keyboard works until you have it your hand. Who the hell knows who they had offer their opinion for the article. Could have been Surur and his faithful side-kick Kupe for all we know.
Everyone does business differently. Just because the iPHONE doesn't fit in your little box of what a business phone needs or should do doesn't mean it won't work perfect for others.
The EDGE speed is a big issue for everyone I feel.
- 06-25-2007, 12:41 PM #209
- 06-25-2007, 12:47 PM #210
I for one will not be getting the phone for the specific reasons you mention - EDGE and EAS. But, I greatly admire the design and engineering of the iPhone and I believe it will push the other manufacturers to step up their form factor design and GUI's - as well as the fact that there will be a second, third and fourth + version of the iPhone which will incorporate these other advantages. So, it is a win - win on both sides for us in terms of a move forward upgrade path.
That's why, IMHO, the launch of this device is great for us whether we buy one or not. Because it will force the manufacturers to change in order to compete. I welcome this product launch even though it doesn't meet my current requirements.
- 06-25-2007, 12:49 PM #211
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- 06-25-2007, 01:17 PM #214
As for what is "business", I think people tend to use that in reference to large companies with IT depts, etc. True, small and medium businesses are a huge factor, but that not what people are mainly aiming for when they use the term "business user".
It's still primarily a toy - come on, how is listening to music or videos related to business? (unless you are in the industry). Let's face it - it's a way for people to eff off and avoid work.
I'm not saying it's not good to have toys....but let's not get carried away.
- 06-25-2007, 01:30 PM #215
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- 06-25-2007, 02:28 PM #217
i know this doesn't matter but i still do not think that EDGE is as bad as some make it out to be. i carry a blackberry pearl these days and when it comes time to having to view some headlines, use google, or access a website, the experience seems to be more than adequate. yes, i have used both EVDO and 3G products so i do know what that experience feels like as well. i will say that i don't download large apps or the like.
having said that, if internet browsing and watching video is your thing then yes, i can understand the need for that kind of bandwidth/speed. my issue is that so many current devices don't offer such (Treos would be one) and people seem to get along without it. would it be a nice feature to have? yes. could the iPhone internet browsing experience actually feel faster than that of a Treo or Blackberry holding all else (edge) constant? i suppose we'll know the answer to that question in soon time.
- 06-25-2007, 02:37 PM #218
- 06-25-2007, 02:38 PM #219
The point is the iPhone will likely feel slower on the same network because it won't default to a mobile page, if available, and it doesn't use a proxy like Opera to optimize content for mobile devices. So while Edge is ok on my Treo where I look for mobile sites, often get mobile sites without looking, and don't try to do multimedia much at all, on the iPhone these are the features that sell the device (the whole internet, remember?) and when people try and use them over Edge it will perform poorly. Smart iPhone users will know better than to try accessing the whole NYT over Edge but the people who believe the hype and expect the best mobile experience ever will likely be a bit upset about it.
Saying this isn't important would be like expecting people to but a Mac desktop that can only use dialup access. When consumers understand this difference en masse it will likely end up hurting sales as people start waiting for 3G. I would expect a 3G device soon but the fact there isn't one now has to be seen as disappointing. Early adopters will suffer from crippled devices.
- 06-25-2007, 02:45 PM #220
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- 06-25-2007, 04:45 PM #223
But Mikec you have a Treo 700wx...
Your argument that the iPHONE is to much geared towards entertainment and is more like a XBOX and will hinder people from being productive is unfounded.
What do you base it on your work habits? Then you should avoid it at all cost if having the ability to listen to music and watch videos will keep you from getting your work done.
Again most of the iPHONE haters who say it can not be used as a business tool make this statement based on their own work environment.
The iPHONE will be used by many as a business tool and they will love it, IMHO. We will have to wait several months to see if I am right though.
By the way Mikec do you have Sling Box on your 700WX and does it make you less productive. We won't tell your boss HONEST!
- 06-25-2007, 04:52 PM #224
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