- 06-23-2007, 08:41 PM #26
- 06-23-2007, 08:48 PM #27
Might I also add this "comparison" chart that was fought over a couple days ago, who was made by none-other: Apple?
Lets see, it's compared to a Blackjack, Treo 750, BlackBerry Curve (!), Nokia N95...
But it's our fault for perceiving the comparison as their target market.
There are legitimate points to made for and against the iPhone, your point falls into neither.
- 06-23-2007, 08:50 PM #28
- 06-23-2007, 08:53 PM #29
Surur...I love to picture in response to Howie's assertion that Apple wasn't targeting "business devices"
Howie - you've been served, or as they say in Southpark, "you've been..."
Jobs is targeting BB, Treos, and whatever junk Nokia is making these days.
It seems Apple has made a wonderful PMP with some phone functionality, and locked it to one carrier.
Good for them.
But in the end, tactile keyboards rule the day.
- 06-23-2007, 08:59 PM #30
- 06-23-2007, 09:01 PM #31
Let's take 30 second tour of Apple's iPhone page. Clearly you haven't done this yourself which goes some way to explained how badly you missed the point.
Key words that jump out:
In fact, there is absolutely NOTHING on that page that tries to hint at the iPhone being targeted at the Enterprise space.
Let's jump over to Palm's 700wx website.
Access email, the web and corporate networks on one of the fastest networks available in the U.S., Or relax and play your favorite music and videos right on your device. With these easy-to-use productivity devices in hand, you can stay connected3 on your terms.
Just looking at the opening web page for each device demonstrates the difference quite clearly.
Perhaps you've convinced yourself that the devices are direct comparison in the Enterprise space, but clearly they're not.
Thanks for playing though.
And again, as I already mentioned, this does not mean that the devices cannot be compared against each other, but any comparison should consider that they are targeted at different markets.
- 06-23-2007, 09:01 PM #32
- 06-23-2007, 09:02 PM #33
- 06-23-2007, 09:08 PM #34
The WSJ wrote the article. Not Apple. Rather than taking snippets out of the article and presenting them out of context to attempt to support your argument, I'd suggest reading the article in its entirety and making some effort to understand it. The gist of the article is quite clearly that there is a CONSUMER expectation to bring the iPhone into to Enterprise space. Not that APPLE are clearly planning to invade the space and are solidifying their plans as we speak.
- 06-23-2007, 09:09 PM #35
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- 06-23-2007, 09:11 PM #38
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- 06-23-2007, 09:18 PM #40
- 06-23-2007, 09:21 PM #41
- 06-23-2007, 09:24 PM #42
Go back and read even the small excerpt of what you quoted.
Read these words:
According to a person close to Apple
- 06-23-2007, 09:25 PM #43
- 06-23-2007, 09:32 PM #44
- 06-23-2007, 09:36 PM #45
- 06-23-2007, 09:37 PM #46
this Apple URL and scroll to the bottom. iPhone compared to (drum roll) business enterprise devices. Apple (the host of th web page) is directly comparing the iPhone (their non-business device by your description) to four other classes of "business" phones (Nokia, WM Smartphone, Blackberry, Palm Treo). Get it?
Of course, they very carefully limit the features in the comparison to entertainment capabilities. Lame.
- 06-23-2007, 09:38 PM #47
- 06-23-2007, 09:48 PM #48
Look at the Treo for example. In the Enterprise space it's a fantastic device. It supports full Outlook integration (well, almost). It supports Push email. It has great application support. These are things that are important to the Enterprise space.
It's also a usable device in the consumer space too, the two are not mutually exclusive, but the two markets are different. How many people who use the phone as an exclusively consumer device use Excel?
The Treo is a device that crosses over to both markets (and does it pretty well) and Palm's marketing reflects that.
- 06-23-2007, 10:06 PM #49
- 06-23-2007, 10:19 PM #50
Marketing is not about black and white honesty, it's about selling products. When did we see Microsoft advertise XP by saying "it'll only crash once a week."
If the iPhone bombs, perhaps one of the significant factors might be the "jack of all trades" type approach that is clearly confusing (a segment of) the market.