- 06-25-2007, 09:28 AM #126
The multi-touch screen, unlike other touch screens, senses multiple points of contact, so it likely can distinguish between a pin-point contact of the finger and a full-on press of the finger. I believe it was Apple (and not random speculators) who claimed that the iPhone could distinguish between deliberate presses and inadvertent contact. This could be how.
- 06-25-2007, 10:44 AM #127
That is why people wait for the "click" with tactile keyboards. With the absence of a click, you have to go visually.
Let's see what Friday brings; Engadet is pretty good on checking sources, esp. after the phony Apple email sent to employees.
My bet is this is genuine.
- 06-25-2007, 11:08 AM #128
I read an interesting article (in popular science, I think a couple of issues back) about the next generation touch screens. Apparently they solve the tactile feedback/button issue by providing a small electrical stimulation where you press the key, so it tricks you into thinking you've pressed a button when you haven't.
- 06-25-2007, 11:14 AM #129
Hmmm. I guess it could be some aspect of capacitive touch screens I don't get (I'm sure there are many), but as I understand it they work by transferring charge from the screen to the finger and don't rely on pressure per se at all. Of course the area of contact would increase with pressure up to a point, but wouldn't that point is very quickly reached without much pressure? (Try it and see!) I guess time of contact and resistance of the finger could make a difference (electron flow would probably by proportional to the former and inversely proportional to the latter) so maybe the 'source' has skin with particularly high resistance?
Main evidence though, we've seen Jobs and Forstall using it and it really didn't seem to require much pressure at all. Seems to me hitting the wrong key rather than failing to get a response without high pressure would be the mostly likely problem (Forstall did).
Anyway this is all a little pointless now and I agree that waiting for the reviews is much the best idea
- 06-25-2007, 11:16 AM #130
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- 06-26-2007, 12:29 AM #133
there is also the best mobile internet platform available with the desktop class functionality of AJAX and all the other web 2.0 crap,
there is document viewing of formats like Word, Excel and PDFs,
there is VPN connectivity via 2TP or PPTP over IPSEC,
there is the Google Maps application for driving directions, trip planning, traffic visuals and co-pilot functionality for the business travelers...
These are the main ones that come to mind right now.
- 06-26-2007, 01:22 AM #134
Just saw the demo. Haven't been following iPhone threads, but...
Is it just me, or can my 680 do 90% of the functions of the iPhone?
What's good about youtube on Cingular's slow *ss edge network? "Real Internet" would be "Real Slow"!!! Probably more Cingular's fault than Apple's though.
Aside from that, it seems I can do everything on my 650 even?! Googlemaps? Treos had that 2 years ago with Kmaps.
Can you use Skype?
And another thing, I've dropped my old 650 5 times, and the final time, it stopped working. I took it apart, replaced a housing, and it worked perfectly again. If I drop the iPhone, I think I will see it play out in slow motion, because it would be un-salvagable.
I also have oily ears (shut up, most of you do too especailly after long days work), and I don't know about oiling up the screen, and then wiping that oil all over the phone with my fingers. Then I would have to wipe it off with my shirt, which then will scratch it up over time. I am assuming you can't put a Screen Protector on it and still have it be accurate?
What about if I need to use the phone one handed on the car? Seems next to impossible?
Also, the reason why I can use my 680 so smooth and fast, is because I know where the buttons are located. I can do almost anything with my eyes closed. Seems like that would be hard on the iphone with the different buttons jumping around. In this app, you tap here, and in that app, you tap there?!
I want to at least wait for the 3G model so the "Real Internet" would actually function well. Also, how advanced can email get? Snapper and Chatter is basically all I would need, I don't see how advanced it could get?
I think the iPhone will convert regular Razr users to the iPhone, but it probably won't convert Treo, BB, WM users..... yet
I think the iPhone is great, but not practical from many different standpoints.
- 06-26-2007, 06:57 AM #135
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- 06-26-2007, 07:31 AM #137
The audience for this phone does not have a full qwerty keyboard on their current phone. For adding contact names and doing SMS messages, they have to tap tap tap the numeric keys to tap tap tap a name or tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap a very small message.
How many taps does it take to type a sentence on a normal phone? Too many!
Taping on a on screen keyboard (OSK) would make life more simply for the average Joe phone user.
The never put anything more than a phone number or two in their contacts before, now with the OSK they won't mind adding addresses and more.
If a directory assistant type product is available or Google Maps allows a "save to contacts" feature then people will love it more.
The one thing missing is an IM application. This seems a no-brainer for today's youth who tends to be the same that wants their Internet, Youtube, pictures, music and videos to go go.
- 06-26-2007, 07:43 AM #138
I see the tapping/sliding ok for some applications (e.g. music ipod) but typing looks lik eit will get monotonous afte the GUi wears off (and trust me it always does). If you can master the thumbing-no tactility qwerty on it maybe..but i still need it. the mastery of the iPod in the mp3 world is its THUMBwheel and I think i will def. be a turn-off to some to have to rely on both hands to operate their PMP/phone.
The capacitance response touchscreens they are saying are in development sound like an alternative, butI don't know if i want my hpone shocking me (esp if it can malfunction as all hardware is guaranteed to at some point)!
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- 06-27-2007, 01:00 PM #147
Looks like you were wrong, bigtime.
- 06-27-2007, 01:31 PM #148
Second of all, I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to me being incorrect about the magnifying glass.
Did you know I posted about this 3 or 4 times here on TreoCentral?
Here's one from a week after the iPhone introduction.
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