- 06-16-2007, 08:06 PM #26
The big variety of handsets are primarily fueled by the bling-factor of having the latest handset. Contracts tend to be one year long, and churn is high, so to retain a off-contract customer the carrier has to offer the latest handset.
To steal the very same customer away the other carriers would offer a good handset and very steep subsidies, often free.
So primarily its a social phenomena, not a technological one.
The carriers make their money on calling plans, not on the handsets itself. Recently they have been promoting data services as an additional revenue earner, but this is still slow to get up and running.
This is the UK perspective BTW.
Re euro-geeks wanting the IPhone - I think it needs at least GPS to make it extremely desirable, else it will look just like a mid-range device.
- 06-16-2007, 09:21 PM #27
- 06-16-2007, 09:49 PM #28
I agree with you on a lot. My viewpoint on the sale of handets being more profitable is based out of research and analysis of the major carriers and their relative profits on phones.
But it's okay to agree to disagree...unless you are archie ;-)
- 06-16-2007, 10:01 PM #29
Yeah, I think the fact that they offer quality handsets for close to free shows that they want your contract more than the sale of a phone. And with smartphones they tie the discount to a data plan and long contract. They aren't marketing the phones but the service that comes with them. The phone is just the carrot.
- 06-17-2007, 02:05 AM #30
But why can't they put a simple IM client on a $600 LOCKED phone? No 3G chip on the only US 3G network(although that may have something to do with Qualcomm) which they happen to be on? No 3rd party apps? So will Apple be responding to market demand when the need for a 3rd party app arises(and it almost always does), and fill the gap by allowing us to download apps it created in place of 3rd party apps? Will this sync with business email? From what I understand, maybe not.
And I'm not an Apple hater, far from it. Just at that price point and that contract requirement, I then have to start looking at value vs. coolness.
I will say about the 3 manufacturers you mentioned, they use 3G chips in some of their phones. They also have IM clients. They also have offerings that sync with business email. At this point, some of their phones are more usable than the iPhone for my needs. Although I don't like Moto, LOL!
- 06-17-2007, 12:19 PM #31
- 06-17-2007, 12:40 PM #32
- 06-17-2007, 01:13 PM #33
I agree...cell phones should be like landlines...calling party pays...but the FCC decided that consumers needed a good bending over.
The worst is charging to receive text messages...you can't control that (unless you shut it off completely.)
- 06-17-2007, 01:16 PM #34
- 06-17-2007, 01:34 PM #35
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/afford . If the phone doesn't meet your needs that is okay, but then you would not have a strong interest in buying it then--you would just be like the other 91%. You could afford it, but choose not to buy it because it doesn't fit your needs. That's clearly a different situation than someone wanting a $100,000 car and not being able to afford it. Or a situation where you need a minivan to haul 8 people but are looking at a 2-seater sports car. In both these situations you would *NOT* have a strong interest in buying one of these and would not show up in the 9%.
It appears to me you don't like some missing features of the phone, and that is fine, but your post clearly tries to downplay the fact that 9% of the people who can afford the iPhone and have a strong interest in buying it. Just because you are in the majority does not mean the minority is wrong or the survey is wrong.
- 06-17-2007, 06:02 PM #37
- 06-17-2007, 06:09 PM #38
And really many people can afford a Ferrari (at the expense of many other things) but if they get it they'd have to buy another car to take the family out, increasing the costs even beyong the already expensive sports car. So it makes no sense and isn't 'affordable', the total costs are not reasonable though possible to 'afford' (if you think that is just the ability to purchase).
I think the iPhone will be a fine device for the people it suits, I just think it is not cost-effective for most people. It is like a Ferrari with all it's wonders and limitations. But you sure want to look at it as it drives down the road.
- 06-17-2007, 06:46 PM #39
- 06-17-2007, 07:16 PM #40
we'll all get this squared away and sorted out in soon time. by the way, i was at an apple store down in newport beach today....i know it's a kooky demographic but what i saw did truly surprise me. i personally witnessed 3 macbooks and 3 ipods being purchased in all of the 10 minutes that i was cruising around the store....nuts.
june 29, 6pm is what they're sayin....the salesperson had no idea if one was going to be able to initiate coverage right there at the store....i wouldn't think so but it was odd that he had no idea. oh well.
Just because these particular preferences are not available does not mean the number will be lower--you can't tell. The number might be higher or lower depending on what people think when they "test drive" it. However, strong buy interest usually translates to a purchase. Even if the number is 1/2 of the 9% that would still blow away target goals set by Apple (1%).
- 06-17-2007, 07:56 PM #42
I would love to see Palm OS modernized with the Quartz-type animations and graphic goodness Apple brings to the table. But it would likely end up more like a Camero than a Ferrari. Which is OK.
- 06-17-2007, 08:11 PM #43
- 06-17-2007, 08:45 PM #44
- 06-17-2007, 08:48 PM #45
- 06-17-2007, 09:19 PM #46
Why don't you just admit you won't buy the iPhone because it doesn't fit your needs and be done with it? Merely bashing something which isn't right for you has zero impact on everyone else. Why are you trolling the thread?
- 06-17-2007, 09:34 PM #48
- 06-17-2007, 09:54 PM #49
If you have a problem with me, then don't read or respond to my posts!! I'm only telling the reasons why I'M going to think carefully before getting an iPhone!! Did I say YOU didn't have right to spend your money on it? Can't you figure out I'm speaking from MY perspective?
BTW, does the "ignore poster" button work? If so, USE IT!! I'm FAR from puritanical and I don't appreciate your generalizations!!! You need to get over yourself, seriously!!
- 06-17-2007, 09:58 PM #50