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- 06-19-2007, 10:20 AM #201
I'd be willing to guess that 90% of treo users only use it's most basic function- phone, email & web, which the iPhone will cover. It may not have the same utility, but I suspect it will do the basics much more seamlessly and in a much more stable environment. It may not get business users, but it will take a huge potential market away from palm.
- 06-19-2007, 10:30 AM #202
Each person must have some reason why they use a bulky smart phone over a sleek razr.
Maybe people can volunteer their reason so we can understand.
The work reason why my pda is essential is that I keep notes on it, which I refer to later. Its useful to be able to synchronize the notes to a laptop or desktop. I also like having the internet on my device. All the other uses I have for the smart phone are nice, but ancillary.
I wonder why other people use their smart phone vs other devices.
- 06-19-2007, 10:43 AM #203
- 06-19-2007, 10:44 AM #204
The biggest gaps on the iPhone vs. Treo:
- No 3G
- No Third party apps (sorry, Safari app don't count)
I think these are the biggest hurdles for Treo "power users"
I'm assuming all the contact, calendar, task and note sync is there.
Oh well...10 more days...
- 06-19-2007, 10:57 AM #205
funny...i'm actually with littlewaywelt.....have constructed a couple of threads on the matter, and have at least given my impression/opinion on the subject matter many times.
this place is not a good sample population, it's one of the only places where you find individuals configuring their treos for things like watching tv, and using 3rd party software to help run their lives. but in the real world, so many purchased it because it was the latest and greatest device and the treo carried great momentum behind each new launch, it was the new cool device. it was the simplest device (thumb-board). you think the soccer mom variety needs anything more than a phone and maybe internet to get her by at the carwash? but how many would you see toting them around? they were everywhere. as for using a treo over some sleeker device, i don't know anymore.....now i see the sleeker devices in the real world, they're now everwhere, and yesterday's soccer mom is carrying one too. the treo is not the big thing anymore. like i've said, MANY around here are ditching them and moving onto other, newer devices that all pretty much do the same, without being so big. yes, there are "power users" (i still snicker when i use that term) who need everything a Treo or Mogul has to offer, but in the non-TreoCentral world basic features work, and if they can get basic features in a smaller and more modern/sleek phone, they most likely will.
ps: as it has been said (somewhere in this thread and others), it's not the iphone that will kill the Treo, it's the Treo/Palm that is killing itself.
- 06-19-2007, 11:26 AM #206
You mention about "not watching TV" yet Sprint and Verizon both offer some sort of Video/TV service (Verizon going further lately, offering live channels). Across the globe, Digital Media broadcasting (DMB) which is huge in Korea, Germany and the UK and growing rapidly elsewhere. You conveniently ignore such obvious trends in mobile entertainment and offerings. DMB will take a long time here in the US due to the hurdles involved and the size of the network: slingbox is an easy workaround. Why not ask Sling if they though their development of the WM and Palm and Symbian client were worth the financial and research investment?
And while many use their Treos for "just email" the ability to connect to so many services (IMAP, POP3, Exchange) or VPN for corporate use is something that many devices cannot do.
You seem to suggest that "smartphones" and anything with Windows Mobile is overkill, yet once again as of 2007 there are over 100 devices worldwide that offer Windows Mobile. From everything to the Amp'd Q (media device) to the HTC Athena, there is a wide range of products now being offered and sold.
Had you spent some time at non-tech sites like Sprintusers.com (a general use site), you'd see anyone picking up a Treo, Mogul, 6700, etc. all ask the same questions: How do I watch TV? How do I stream music? How do log into my bank account? How to I VPN? Can I use P2P?
Those aren't "power users" but everyday people looking to do what they do at home, on the go.
Do they represent the majority? The minority? Who knows. But please do not pretend via a simple message board to presume the desires and wants of smartphone users, that is naivety and arrogance supreme.
- 06-19-2007, 11:29 AM #207
whatever u say ....cool with me
ps: i didn't mention WM....it actually works for me....prefer it over Palm OS for whatever that's worth
pss: you use the word "many" to quantify those who use their Treos for "just email" .......was that a scientific study that you concluded to validate its use?
- 06-19-2007, 11:37 AM #208
PIM is probably the only thing a RAZR can't do (well, at all?) that's essential to me on a daily basis, but other things are essential or close to essential less frequently. Email definitely falls into that category. Mobile email isn't essential to me every day (or even every week), but it is very useful sometimes and that means I need: 1) to access the work Exchange server and 2) a QWERTY keyboard.
Other work essentials/highly desirables that a RAZR won't do (or won't do well) include calculator, sat-nav, notes and password management . Non-work desirables include web browsing (I do use this a bit for work too), IM, alarm clock, weather forecasts, and e-books (one or more of the last three might be ok on a RAZR?)
- 06-19-2007, 11:45 AM #209
Malatesta, pretending? Learn to read. I said "I'd be willing to guess" I didn't say I was offering facts. Of couse I'm only offering an opinion...just like you. I don't make it a habit of asking strangers how they use their treos, but of my friends that have them (~10), what I stated was the case for every single one. They're all fairly tech oriented, but they only need the phone to cover basics.
Get over yourself. You and Surur seem to take this whole issue far too seriously, imho.
I purchased this phone for PIM capabilities that exceeded what Palm OS offered. I have used the phone to near it's capabilities. 60% my personal usage is email 30% phone, 10% web, weather, media, etc.
As to why ppl purchase more tech than they need or use...it's standard option creep. Ppl in the US buy stuff that tends to accomodate anything they might need rather than what they actually need. Large SUVs are the perfect example.
- 06-19-2007, 11:48 AM #210
- 06-19-2007, 11:53 AM #211
my device must have the ability to handle voluminous email on a real-time basis, qwerty keyboard (exposed), an address book and calendar, internet access, phone, full day of battery, while being ultra-pocketable and light.
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- 06-19-2007, 01:31 PM #214
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- 06-19-2007, 01:42 PM #215
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- 06-19-2007, 02:09 PM #218
But all to often people try to come to conclusions based on little evidence, when all one needs to do is look at market trends e.g. the rise of mobile broadband multimedia, WM smartphones (for better or worse), instant email options (besides BB and Exchange), mobile IM, etc. to see that people do want those functions, just maybe not the way they are currently implemented or offered.
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- 06-19-2007, 10:11 PM #221
Oh, and I don't think Paris has the body of a 20 year old...more like 17 with the mind of a 4 year old....she get's too much press, IMO.
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