- 04-13-2007, 05:15 PM #76
As has been said by me and others, Apple's UI will probably be very good. No argument there (though I still fail to see the need for a full-desktop OS in a cell phone that takes a 1/2 gb of space). But as far as hardware it's very basic. Yes, they added some sensors but if they were going to do a full touchscreen phone, it was a good thing they improved up the old model.
I think Kupe above raises some good points about the hardware: if it were truly an "amazing feat of engineering" adding GPS, removable battery, 3g (or at least upgradeable) while keeping it as thin as it's current competition would have been a remarkable feat.
- 04-13-2007, 05:25 PM #77
- 04-13-2007, 05:31 PM #78
And, I certainly don't claim it to be fact, nor will I defend it as anything other than prognostication.
As far as it lasting as long as YOU need it to; well, that may be very different from lasting as long as I need it to. If there are times when it can't last as long as I need, I'll plug it in. I'll know in the first month whether that is a trend or an occasional issue. Certainly, if it's a trend, it'll go back to Cingular.
By the way, I agree that this device is lacking features that seem obvious - 3G is at the TOP of that list. Then again, with Cingular slowing their 3G rollout to an absolute CRAWL, it won't be an issue for me until at least the end of this year. By then, maybe an "upgraded" release with 3G, more memory, and the ability to communicate with the Space Shuttle will be announced...
- 04-13-2007, 05:33 PM #79
Now I know!!! It was to make money!!! yes, thats the reason. It was eluding me all along. What was I thinking? Isn't that where you sell as many units as possible with the biggest profit margin possible, and laugh all the way to the bank? Yes, that sounds just like the Apple modus operandi, doesn't it?
- 04-13-2007, 05:36 PM #80
- 04-13-2007, 05:38 PM #81
Apple goes beyond this and improves upon current technologies by adding their own engineering expertise.
You call this hardware BASIC??? Son, you need to get off your high-horse.
- 04-13-2007, 05:41 PM #82
- 04-13-2007, 05:42 PM #83
By selling this iPhone like crazy because eeverybody complains about how bad their current phone sucks. They see an opportunity (the opportunity is there because nobody else has been able to, or been pushed to, fix the problem) and they take it.
That is what Apple has always done. They take existing poorly implented technologies and improve on them.
- 04-13-2007, 05:43 PM #84
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- 04-13-2007, 05:51 PM #86
2) i think that phone looks like doo-doo, and it is 4mm thicker (in % terms that's a lot). again, just my thoughts.
- 04-13-2007, 05:52 PM #87
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- 04-13-2007, 07:28 PM #90
GPS is no less useful for being on a 3.5 or 2.8 inch screen, and consumer acceptance is high for those sizes. Young people who change (cheap) cars a lot prefer portable systems to built-in systems, and find them much more affordable - win-win.
- 04-13-2007, 07:55 PM #91
- 04-14-2007, 12:09 AM #92
Re: the need for a 1/2gb desktop OS in a handheld you are still failing to provide any explanation outside of conjecture. Why is a full desktop OS needed in a cell phone? What is it that the iPhone can do that other smarthphones cannot with a 35mb OS? Granted, the iPhone OS will be developed upon for years but what exactly is the need for that much OS? It's a cellphone, not a UMPC.
I call that hardware the least Apple could do if they are serious about entering this market. The Helio Ocean has more useful technology than the iPhone (3g, expandable memory, GPS, flash for the camera, supports all IM services, USB mass storage support, mac and PC compatible, etc) and is half the price, plus no contract.
I guess I'm not wowed by bells and whistles and instead actually care about what I can do with the device. Simply making calls, surfing at 2g speeds, playing music and video is not exactly amazing features on a converged device anymore. Tilt sensors and fancy touchscreens are a neat novelty but don't make up for the lack of internal GPS, IM support, 3g speeds.
Also, please stop being condescending with the "son" bit. I'm just not impressed with what I know about the iPhone for the price of the phone and the service. It's a ripoff, too little too late. It won't matter though b/c the iPhone will eclipse something like the Helio Ocean which has more useful features, is cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate.
- 04-14-2007, 02:57 AM #93
Surur, do you know of any 3G WM phones with a SiRF III GPS chip? The link you posted says the glofiish might but I know the (3G) HTC P3600 doesn't have one (while the non-3G P3300 does). The 3G GPS Nokias don't have SiRF III either and the Eten and Mios I've seen have SiRF III but no 3G. Compatibility issues?
- 04-14-2007, 03:21 AM #94
The graphical abilities of the iPhone OS (screen transitions, scrolling, web page and map zooming, coverflow, etc) look great but are these enough to explain the size? Does multi-touch have an impact? The browser and video looked very sweet in the keynote, perhaps it's just the case that the extra bit of quality requires a much bigger app?
- 04-14-2007, 03:47 AM #95
1) It really is a cut down OSX, but that was as slim as they can make the OS, due to dependencies.
2) They want to provide a very rich API, and will be using Execute in Place to avoid the memory strain this would cause.
No. 1 is obviously not a big issue, due to the massive storage available on the device, but says interesting things about the modularity of OSX.
No. 2 is also interesting, as providing a very large and accurate version of the desktop API should help porting to no end.
Anyway, we shall see I guess once people rip apart this device. Judging by how easily Apple TV got cracked, I have very little faith in Apple keeping the IPhone a closed system, especially when the provide such a large API to attack the system.
- 04-14-2007, 04:09 AM #96
"The Qualcomm based HTC P3600 is clearly not on par with the SiRFstarIII based PDAPhones with irregular and inaccurate tracks that would likely make it difficult for navigation software to provide accurate guidance."
- 04-14-2007, 04:24 AM #97
EDIT. For those (like me) with limited technical knowledge of xip and the like, this might be helpful:
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