- 03-14-2007, 05:05 AM #26
Many are talking about BT and WIFI-based HDD's, as if its a done deal that it will work. I am far less confident. Why would Apple want you to expand storage, when you could be buying the Iphone 2 with 16 GB in a year's time? Remember, this is a closed system. Apple will make it do what they want, and that is all it will do.
As a lesser point, constant WIFI or BT streaming will kill the battery in 1-2 hours straight. If you mean to transfer the music in one go, I am not even sure the device has a file browser, let alone network transfer.
- 03-14-2007, 06:34 AM #27
So, let me see if I get the logic here...
Instead of carrying a converged device (such as the Treo), you guys are going to go from carrying the iPhone and an iPod or an iPhone and some kind of added on hard drive? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just trying to understand the point of going from one device back to two...
- 03-14-2007, 06:34 AM #28
Perry, web browser <> file browser (although it could be used as one I guess). I am talking about being able to explore a the local file system and see all the system files for example, or to map a network drive as local storage. I believe on the MacOS platform is called Finder.
If the Iphone is as much as an appliance as I suspect I see no reason for Apple to include a file browser (just like PalmOS devices shipped without one for ages).
- 03-14-2007, 06:47 AM #29
- 03-14-2007, 07:07 AM #30
- 03-14-2007, 07:35 AM #31
Not so much suggesting I will buy an external drive FOR the iPhone - only that I MAY use it for extra storage if needed. One plan is to use the iPhone to view images from my digital camera (@15-16 megs per image only using a RAW file, I need all the storage I can get - hence the desire for the wireless hd. Adding a JPEG subfile to view on another device will add another 2-3 megs). The thought that I can also store other media, such as books, articles, and video, makes it even more compelling.
Surur is right, though. Even though the Seagate interviewee seemed confident that the product should work with the iPhone, we won't know until it's here. The same holds true with the battery. I think even in a worst case scenario, 1-2 hours is a silly estimate, but using all the radios in the phone simultaneously will certainly drain the battery more quickly than anyone would like. Then again, I don't see myself, in particular, using this device any more than the 3-4 hours I spend on my 8125 per day - often with BT and WiFi on while actively surfing the net and/or talking on it. After just over a year of use, I can count on one hand the number of days it's given out before I was able to get it to the home charger. I have a car charger for just such occasions...
Phone Diva, I whole-heartedly agree that one of the biggest disappointments regarding the iPhone is it's lack of an expansion slot.
I don't know, I love music, but I'm definitely not as hard core as a lot of folks. I don't always listen to music when I walk my dogs - I like hearing them, and birds, and traffic. I don't always listen while working out. I'm a little paranoid listening while on my road bike (same traffic issues), but if I'm mountain biking alone, I like to listen then. I just like to listen when I'm in the mood to listen. I don't live in a place where I need to take mass transit, so I don't need it there. When I travel, it's usually with a companion, and if we aren't watching a movie on a laptop, we are either talking, or occasionally listening to music - or more often reading. Ever notice the people at the gym on the treadmill who are grimacing in pain while listening to mp3s and reading a book or magazine while sweating up a storm? That's NOT me! I can't imagine when they are done working out that they have any recollection of what they were listening to or what they read :crazy:
Anyway, the iPhone - IN MY ESTIMATION (sorry, I wanted to make sure to use the personalization disclaimer here ), is going to be a simple evolution in converged devices - at least for me. It may not be all it's cracked up to be. It may not even be all that good. I've liked what little I've seen and read, and although there have been a few omissions that seem counterintuitive (lack of 3G and no media slot), I think it'll work for me. Bottom line - if it's not worth the price, I'll take it back to Cingular and get something else.
- 03-14-2007, 05:36 PM #33
^ it shouldn't replace carrying an ipod but it should more than meet your music/video needs for those times that you need it to. i suppose that's my point. if all you do all day is listen to music and watch videos then you're right, it won't replace carrying an ipod, but then again, not much else will.
- 03-14-2007, 09:05 PM #34
8000mb big enough for you?!
I have a quality 300 songs and a few audio books I like to keep on my iPod, so that will leave enough room for a couple movies which can easily be updated. 8 Gigs should do fine
My only concern is 3G speeds....not size.
What about document storage? Contacts storage? On the iPhone, space will have to be delegated. All 8GB can't be for music, movies, and ebooks.
And Oalvarez, I'm trying to say I don't think it will meet MY particular needs. Loading 1-2GB playlist just doesn't work for me. I tried it. It'll have to be at least 3 or 4 GB. Which is half the space on the iPhone. On a phone, I really would prefer NOT to use tons of space for entertainment unless a lot of it's on an expansion card. Not only that, those who love to carry tons of music(yes there are some) may not like being limited. Nano users I think can deal with it, since they use limited space anyway.
- 03-15-2007, 07:01 AM #36
may i ask when it is during the day that you listen to 3-4gb worth of music?
i'm very impressed with some people's storage needs, all of a sudden. didn't know that so many had such large (greater than 1-2gb) and FULL expansion cards on their devices!!!
taken from Palm.com:
60MB persistent user storage, non-volatile flash Memory
miniSD card slot; up to 2GB card supported Expansion
so 8gb on a iPhone isn't enough but 2.60gb on a Treo is? what am i missing?
When out running errands, I like to take music with me. The iPhone is also an iPod, that's why I need more storage on it. It's a great chance to dump the iPod unless I'm on long trips. BUT since the iPod shuffles so badly, I need at least 3-4GB so I don't get the same thing over and over. When I loaded up 1-2GB playlists for the day, the same stuff kept popping up. Now, perhaps the iPhone will fix the shuffling issue, then I'd be OK with 2GB.
What you're missing is:
1. I barely use the Treo for music, usually for business. Space is taken up by apps, contacts, etc. When it comes to phones, I need phone first, then PDA. Then I can worry about music. Treo 650 also had a headeset jack problem which makes me wary of trying to use even the 750 for music! Who knows if they fixed that or not? Actually the only phone I'd really consider using for music is the w810i. Although storage is lacking on it too.
2. I'm one who still likes seperate music players due to versatility of storage. Once you get the option of 30-80GB, how can you go back to less than 8GB? If I can load even 15GB of music and arrange all my playlists beforehand, I won't need to sync anything for a while!
No, 8GB(and you know it will be formatted for less) MAY not be enough for me at this point, not for music and video at least. If the iPhone accepts apps, document storage, etc., it's perfect!
- 03-15-2007, 09:22 AM #38
- 03-15-2007, 10:21 AM #39
- 03-15-2007, 02:59 PM #40
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- 03-15-2007, 03:52 PM #42
Phone Diva, what iPod are you using that repeats the same songs. I have never had that happen, unless I reset the playlist and then hit "shuffle songs" again. I am not familiar with iPod shuffles/nanos though...
I happen to take Mass transit mostly everywhere, and I always have my 20GB with me. However, I rarley get through more than 40-70 songs in a day.
I had another question too (it may be a dumb question) , isn't WiFi faster than 3G?
- 03-15-2007, 04:04 PM #43
in earnest, never watched the keynote. as for being converged, i suppose i'm just old fashioned and lazy....i use my ipod for music and my phone/pda as a phone and on-the-go email/browsing device, and my laptop/pc for more real computing needs. i hear ya though.
Like I said before, I never really used the Treo for music. The storage is used for stuff I need. Music is entertainment.
Boy are we spoiled these days! I remember when we had to listen to every boring thing while on the bus, train, exercising or while running errands! The Walkman changed everything!
- 03-16-2007, 02:24 PM #46
- 03-22-2007, 03:16 PM #47
This isn't a problem in the real world; except for those that like to refer to technical specs and numbers, ignoring how the phone is in actual use. And even at that, I ask again, what phone gives you more storage than this for your music?
- 03-22-2007, 03:17 PM #48
Did you know that iTunes actually incorporates a Smart Shuffle randomizer to counteract this perceived un-randomness that users believe to be inherent with the iPod. It actually analyzes the random songs played and changes the likelihood of the user actually hearing the same songs, it does away with a sequential playback.
- 03-22-2007, 03:20 PM #49
- 03-22-2007, 03:20 PM #50