- 04-09-2007, 07:06 AM #76
- 04-09-2007, 12:32 PM #77
I justify my comments based on user experiences as reported all over the web as well as listed specs (3 hour talk time) from sites like:
How can you justify your comments. No, really, I want to know.
But before you respond, recognize the fact that Cingular's listed battery life specs are as published based on the multiple battery packagings they give customers; either 2 regular batteries or, as shipping most recently, the extended battery pack, which incidentally doubles the depth of the phone.
Please recognize this and do not try to discredit what it is that I say with your disinformation campaign and heavily skewed and untrue facts.
- 04-09-2007, 01:01 PM #78
I have zero problems with my Blackjack lasting the whole day, with the standard battery, unless I Sling for an extended period of time. MUCH better than the 750. But that's my own use, people will differ. And yes, I leave 3G on all day.
There's no argument here until the iPhone is released. Company specs ALWAYS differ from consumer tests, so until the iPhone comes out we won't know anything.
The speculation, however, is very credible. Web surfing, video watching, music listening, phone calls, all use quite a bit of battery. Treo's used to have internal batteries, but that didn't last long. Apple should learn from others' mistakes...
- 04-09-2007, 01:31 PM #79
It's funny that you can look up what users get for real-life talk time on the BJ and yet go by company specs for the iPhone and declare the latter the winner, merely on your faith in Apple.
As I mentioned and you ignore, HSDPA devices consume more power--actually any 3g devices consumes more power than any 2.5g. So why compare a high-speed device with a slow, old generation one?
Okay now Cnet said they got 11 hours of talk time on the HTC Dash even though it was only rated for 5 hours. That's a 2.5 g device with wifi. Or just look at any other review and people all say the same thing: fantastic battery life even when Wifi is on.
Either way Archie: beating devices that have been out for 6+ months by an hour or just tying them for the same talk-time in battery life is hardly radical or amazing.
- 04-09-2007, 01:42 PM #80
Dimensions: 4.45" x 2.32" x 0.46"
Weight: 3.5 ounces
Main Display: 320 x 240 Pixel, 65K TFT
Mode: Quad-Band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
Talk Time: Up to 5.5 hours*
Wireless Protocol: GSM
Service Provider: Cingular
Of course the IPhone probably has a better chance of getting close to the maximum specified talk time, seeing how it uses a legacy technology (GSM) with poorer voice quality, which just happens to have lower power consumption.
- 04-09-2007, 09:51 PM #81
Surur and Archie, may I suggest Handbags at Dawn?
As I posted in another thread
I am getting realy bored with reading the back and forth between Surur and his Apple bashing compatriots trying to beat up on Archie, just as I'm getting bored with Archie feeling the need to defend all things Apple.
As my screen name implies, I am a big fan of all things Mac, but I have been a Palm user since the first Palm Pilot and Palm III. My main leaning towards these platforms, and products has always been their elegant design and user interface, and most of all the fact that they have historically played well together (something that has been less the case in recent years, but has been ameliorated by the advent of Missing Sync by Markspace)
I am probably a more than average techy gadget buyer, but for me the big draw of Apple, especially since the birth of the iPod, is a seamless experience. I like gadgets and technology as much, if not more than, anyone, but I don't want to go through learning 17 steps to do anything where 1 click can do it all. I don't want to have to learn how to do anything, I'd rather it was intuitive, and I could simply deduce it.
Is the sound quality of digital audio as good as the very expensive high end audiophile setups I have owned in the past? Probably not, but I don't really care. I like the fact that I can very simply carry all (or most, or even some) of my music around with me in a format that is easy to access, and easy to maintain and update. I don't listen to my iPod as much as I did because I'm realy busy, and I'm worried that I might miss a call. If the iPhone means I can listen to my music, or an audiobook, and not miss a call, all in one device, great, sign me up.
I have never used my Treo 600, Treo 650, or Treo 680 for music. Could I have? I guess I could, but I never got around to doing all the stuff that that would involve. I just plug in my iPod and I'm good to go. The iPhone will do that and sync my contact info etc seamlessly. This is something Palm hasn't managed in some time (mixed up or double entered contact info, or worse contacts that have disappeared into the digital ether after many syncs)
Will the iPhone be perfect? Probably not, but I don't know as I haven't used one yet (have you Surur or Archie, or Oalvarez, or anyone?). But from my experience with Apple so far, it will be pretty damn close.
I think the reason most of us were drawn to Palm was that they had a simple user interface, and cool products. Palm has become the tech equivalent of "Fat, Stodgy, and Lazy". Apple has continued to innovate and move forward. They did this by controling all the parts of the equation, and dropping the parts that weren't moving them forward (transition to OS X, move to Intel, shutdown of clones etc). Palm dropped the ball by gripping on to the same outdated OS for grim death, rather than innovating their way out of that same grim death.
I hope Palm can get their act together, and do something special, just as I hope England can win a World Cup again. I just won't cry into my beer when they don't. Until then........ Roll On June 11th
- 04-10-2007, 01:19 AM #82
- 04-10-2007, 06:46 AM #83
you must have me confused for someone else.
by the way, everything you wrote has been previously written.
- 04-10-2007, 07:17 AM #84
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- 04-10-2007, 09:22 AM #86
But he has no right to complain about people assuming, when he himself is assuming things about the iPhone. I do think it will sync seamlessly with MAC, but what about PC/Outlook/Exchange? I can come up with tons of questions, but what's the point if no one can answer them....:o
- 04-10-2007, 09:52 AM #87
Fair enough. I can't really argue with the wait-and-see approach. I've argued for it a couple of time myself in this forum and ultimately of course we won't know for sure until we try.
Btw, I've only had three PPC/WM devices and I only used the first two with Windows (I'd moved to Macs by the third). With those two I had *lots* of ActiveSync problems. Never mind first gen, this was AS 3.x!
- 04-10-2007, 10:06 AM #88
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Anyway, for the record, this is just an attempt to wind Archie up. Many people who buy the IPhone wont be dummies, my wife thinks its lovely and wants one, and I'm sure it will be very successful, sell in the millions and when the form factor differentiates take on the more established business smartphone market. Nokia, HTC, Sony Ericsson etc still have a few years to survive though.