- 02-22-2007, 01:52 PM #26
Archie Archie Archie... Verizon if famous for having full control of the devices they sell. Clearly they wanted the IPhone to use THEIR service to buy music. Funnily enough Cingular does not have the same reputation. Saying Apple would DELIBERATELY CRIPPLE their device just to avoid being forced to use Cingular's WMA based service is beyond ridiculous.
- 03-22-2007, 03:52 PM #27
I wish you would read what you post here because THAT is "beyond ridiculous".
Here, let me repeat for you in my own post for you: blah, blah, blah... Archie is always wrong and has no idea what he is talking about. Clearly I do because what is so ridiculous is that archie thinks that Apple doesn't want to use Microsoft's WMA based content on the Apple iPhone.
This is good stuff. Seriously, I burst out laughing when I read this.
Let me summarize it, can I—bwhaa, ha, ha, ha.
Hey everybody, surur doesn't think Apple would have a problem in supporting and strengthening Microsoft's WMA format in lieu of Apple's own "heart & soul", "life blood", "5 year court fighting worthy", "iTunes + iPod essence" technology called QuickTime.
BWHAAAAA HA HA HAH A!
- 03-22-2007, 05:50 PM #28
- 03-22-2007, 06:21 PM #29
- 03-22-2007, 07:15 PM #30Originally Posted by archie
Apple was already in a strong negotiating position. They did not have to do something so idiotic to avoid carrying Cingular Video. That you actually believe your explanation is reasonable speaks rather poorly of your reasoning ability.
- 03-25-2007, 12:31 PM #31
Hmph! Well, we'll soon see, won't we.
If Cingular starts distributing content that is QT compatible or lets users purchase iTunes Store content through the iPhone, then I will be right.
If not then you would be correct in your prognostication that I would have a "poor reasoning ability".
- 03-25-2007, 01:36 PM #32
- 03-26-2007, 03:18 PM #33
Cingular has already released 3g phones INCAPABLE of Cing. video. Treo and 8525 to be exact. Nice theory though, but Cingular obviously has no problem doing it....
Apple could easily make its own program to link to Itunes on the iPhone to purchase/watch videos on the device. I really think the iPhone isn't 3G capable right now because of battery and stability issues. 3G isn't fully reliable IMO (and I live in a city where 3g is supposedly "EVERYWHERE") and fluctuates too much between 3G/EDGE/GPRS, killing battery life. Until this issue geyts resolved Apple can't afford that risk with their intro phone...
- 03-27-2007, 11:17 AM #34
Whay can't readers connect these dots that are so close together. I place these dots right next to each other and you people still get lost.
- 03-27-2007, 11:20 AM #35
- 03-27-2007, 01:21 PM #36
- 03-27-2007, 02:02 PM #37
That's what the Palm/Service providers did with the Treo 750 which had HSDPA not-enabled on the device until the network providers were "ready".
That seems like a middle ground you are leaving out.
That avoids the problems you mentioned while protecting your customers from having out-dated devices in 6-12 months, no? Sort of like the Apple/802.11n issue?
- 03-27-2007, 03:42 PM #38
- 05-12-2007, 12:16 PM #39
Towards the bottom I say, "Apple will be able to cater to the multiple phone markets because it will be able to work on most any network (like GPRS, GSM, Sprint PCS, Wi-Fi or even WiMax) utilizing Intel's software-defined radio for adaptability... and to also cut costs."
Added note: I do have to say though that I wasn't 100% sure this was incorporated but it is now looking like this is the case.
- 05-12-2007, 12:20 PM #40
MarketingWeek reports that:
Despite reports that Vodafone would be the iPhone carrier, sources are saying T-Mobile is favored to secure the deal. Both carriers have been active in the music area, but apparently Vodafone's Live! portal would not be a good match with Apple's iTunes software.
I must really bug you.
- 05-13-2007, 01:57 PM #41
- 05-13-2007, 03:24 PM #42
I see you left out an important part of the quote.
He also points out that T-Mobile has little or no presence in Italy, Spain or France.
If Vodafone did not agree to conform to Apple's ridiculous demands like AT&T did I guess it means the more powerful carriers dont think the IPhone is great enough to bend over and take it. Didn't Verizon (who have a relation with Vodafone) similarly refuse to play ball with Apple?
Anyway, Archie, I still wait for you to explain your (flawed) reasoning.
- 05-14-2007, 12:47 AM #43
I left it out because it makes NO difference to my point, but I didn't really expect anything else from you except this ridiculous rebutal.
By the way, it's quite ironic you turned your attention to Italy, Spain and France because this is where I will have my full attention drawn to (plus Germany) for the next 3 weeks. So you can spin and spew and downplay the iPhone all you want.
- 05-14-2007, 01:17 AM #44
Originally Posted by Archie
- 05-14-2007, 04:22 AM #45
As a potential buyer of the iPhone in the UK I think T-Mobile would be a great choice, mostly because of their super-cheap data pricing (although Orange now have great packages too and even Vodafone have moved in the right direction of late). I've also been pretty impressed with the rate they've managed to play catch-up in rolling out their 3G network and with the general network reliability (better than Vodafone in my experience) and customer service doesn't seem to shabby either (they were very nice about about my wanting to swap the first phone I chose for a different model, even to the extent of sending me the new one before I'd sent the old one back).
As a (completely non-expert) observer of the market though, T-Mobile seems like a curious choice, at least to the extent that the rumours that Apple wanted a single carrier for Europe are true. T-Mobile are big in Germany (#1) and the UK (#2) and number of smaller countries but (according to Wikipedia) have nothing in France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Turkey, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland and many others:
Vodafone are the closest to having a pan-European presence:
It's worth noting though that although (however you look at it) Vodafone are more widespread than T-Mobile, a lot of that presence isn't a consequence actually owning networks (see column 3 in the Vodafone Wikipedia page). In terms of owning networks, there simply isn't a pan-European carrier.
There are several questions I don't know the answer to that are relevant:
1) Is Apple really after a single carrier in Europe?
2) What's the relationship between Vodafone and the many carriers listed on Wikipedia in which it has no stake. Would they/could they be part of any deal between Apple and Vodafone?
3) If Apple goes with T-Mobile, what happens in the European countries with no T-Mobile? Deals with other carriers? Sold unlocked? Not sold at all?
- 05-14-2007, 05:43 AM #46
By the time the Iphone comes to market here (end of this year?) its going to look like old hat. I can walk into any phone shop today and walk out with the very similar looking LG Prada, and Apple will look like just another copycat, and there is already talk of an LG Prada II with Digital TV built-in.
The fact is that the music phone market has been growing strongly even before the Iphone (just look at the successful SE Walkman phone series) and the other phone companies will not just cede that market without a fight. In Europe they will have a further 3-6 months head start, and are releasing devices with address the feature set of the Iphone right now.
Judging the market from the American perspective (with its paucity of advanced phones) will give a very wrong impression of the potential market share of this device.
- 05-14-2007, 06:35 AM #47
- 05-14-2007, 06:40 AM #48
- 05-14-2007, 06:54 AM #49
- 05-16-2007, 07:22 AM #50
iPod owners receptive to Apple as mobile phone provider
Respondents were asked to rate how likely they would be to choose different vendor brands for their next personal mobile phone. Unsurprisingly, Nokia came out as the clear leader, with almost half the respondents giving the vendor the highest rating and 84% saying they were more likely than not to consider it. Nokia was some way ahead of Sony Ericsson, which was followed closely by Samsung and then Motorola. Consumers’ ratings of Apple gave it a mid-table position, behind LG, but marginally ahead of well-known smart mobile device vendors like RIM, HP and Palm. Given that the iPhone has not even shipped yet this gives an indication of how well its brand could play in the consumer mobile phone space, but it will still need to overcome the technical and channel-related challenges entry into this market brings.
“Apple’s rating improves dramatically when you talk to existing iPod owners,” said Pete Cunningham, senior analyst at Canalys. “Almost half the respondents who owned an iPod rated Apple as more likely than not be considered for their next phone, compared to just 20% for those who didn’t have an iPod, and they were five times as likely to give Apple the highest rating. There is a lot of loyalty there that Apple can tap into.”
Quite impressive when you consider not only has the iPhone not shipped (anywhere) yet, in Europe, AFAIK, it hasn't even been advertised.