- 01-25-2007, 08:19 PM #26
- 01-25-2007, 08:28 PM #27
Look, phone manufacturers do not like these subsidies because it devalues their phone. Plus it gives them less control on how to market the phone and accessories. You and I both know that this is NOT how Apple likes to operate.
When Apple announced their phone pricing, we all just assumed it was a subsidized price because it was followed up with the announcement that it was only available through Cingular. We probably didn't put the two bits of information together correctly. But we can now safely say that the phone will not be subsidized because of the key bits of information that I listed above throughout my first few posts.
AND... because the iPhone will NOT be subsidized, it stands to reason that Cingular/AT&T will reward Apple iPhone customers by giving them a break of some sort.
I touched on this before but I would not put it past Apple to charge more for the phone to account for and provide an attractively better service plan than what other phone manufacturers are able to provide. In this case - the service is better than what other phones have available in that you get one and a half years FREE.
- 01-25-2007, 09:35 PM #29
By the way, AOL's version of push is not designed and optimized to operate in mobile solutions in which battery life is at a premium. If you recall this was the argument from before. You know, when I was "making everything up".
- 01-25-2007, 11:46 PM #31
Archie - You keep demonstrating your IGNORANCE. The AOL email is completely free (no need to sign up for AOL), as in FREE. And the domain is FREE - try it yourself.
And there is no commercial IMAP service that is optimized for mobile solutions, if you're referring to P-IMAP. None. (No fair counting iPhone's vapor Yahoo service, which will NOT be P-IMAP either).
Why you insist on embarrassing yourself in front of everyone is beyond me.
- 01-26-2007, 08:06 AM #32
Why YOU insist on embarrassing yourself is beyond ME.
As far as your ridiculous claim of being "no fair counting iPhone's vapor service", I disagree. It IS fair because you can get the service now if you want to pay for it and it WILL be available for the iPhone FREE. Which leads me to my next point, there ARE commercial push IMAP services that are optimized for mobile solutions. One is called the Blackberry email system, another is called push IMAP email. I would like to refer you to this Internet Society draft here.
It says "the primary feature of P-IMAP is that of great extended capabilities to push changes actively to a client, rather then requiring the client to initiate contact to ask for state changes."
I hope that it helps for me to talk in circles like this. I didn't know what else to do because nobody here seems to get it.
- 01-26-2007, 10:56 AM #35
Honestly, I feel Apple and/or ATT will have to do SOMETHING for the customer because $600 is very high for a locked phone and 2 yr. contract. They will not be getting too many consumers with that requirement.
Now if it's unlocked and you can buy it through Apple and not necessarily ATT, that's another story.
So, why give away the minutes and data for 18 months, leaving 6 months of paid service on the 2-year contract? Bunk...unless that 50% margin on the totally unsubsidized phone is going into Cingular's pockets. That could rewrite the way phones are sold...Yes! UGH, no. Must...resist...rumors.And do you really think that Brain Lam holds any credibility after all the lame negative Apple related stunts he has pulled over the last 2 years? And do you really think that Cingular is going to tell Brian Lam their business strategies?
Let's get the word out that this isn't true.
- 01-26-2007, 11:17 AM #37
And then right after the keynote, he posted a size comparison chart that had it obsurdely oversized next to comparable phones. Everybody here at TreoCentral was freaking out (understandably) because it was apparently so big.
He also incorrectly stated specs.
- 01-26-2007, 12:17 PM #43
OT slightly and to lighten things up a bit(come on guys, it's an object. and many reporters have inflated egos anyway, we know that.) but I need to ask any Apple insiders if they know if the true video iPod is going to be released soon. No one really ever replied before.
Otherwise I'm about to buy the U2 iPod within the next 2 months, maybe sooner.
If the iPhone is supposed to be the actual true video iPod, I still don't know if I can buy it. I already have too many phones and really don't want to be stuck only with ATT for 2 more years.
- 01-26-2007, 12:33 PM #44
You will see this new interface and display on a non-phone ipod.
Saying something about that now would cannibalize sales of existing iPods, so that was not mentioned. I don't know when that would be released though, but there's no reason for Apple to wait until June, as the playback portions of the device seem complete.
But you should really ask in a new thread. This one should die.
- 01-26-2007, 12:52 PM #45
- 01-26-2007, 02:36 PM #46
On the other hand, the 5.5 gen U2 iPod is still nice and I may still get it anyway. Even if a new one is released before June. I can just sell my other one to buy the new one.
People are still selling 4th gen and mini iPods on Craig's List.
- 01-26-2007, 03:16 PM #47
Sprint and T-Maybe are both discount carriers. They are both doing terrible. Sprint is doing especially bad already losing big numbers to other carriers.
Stupidest move in the world was to buy Nextel.
- 01-26-2007, 03:36 PM #48
hey, u and i agree on something, actually, two things. the nextel purchase/integration is causing real havoc on their profitability. one thing they do have going for them is a widespread network that someone could potentially care about. and yes, verizon customers are much less price sensitive but perhaps willing to pay for the services that they're not able to receive by other, lesser expensive carriers within their geographic area.
agreed: stupidest move in the world was to buy Nextel
- 01-27-2007, 08:47 PM #50