- 01-17-2007, 10:20 AM #26
I have to give props to Apple's marketing. They are willing to spend the advertizing bucks and are, IMO, effective. An example is the PC guy and the Mac guy ads. I would guess that they will continue to hype the iPhone.
As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the product has produced an awful lot of interest. From reading the related threads, it appears that many Treo users are going to try the iPhone, if only out of curiosity. There are a lot of consumers who will buy the iPhone just because it is the latest thing. Apple is very good on "eye candy".
On the other hand, when you look at the evolution of the Mac
computers, Apple has been addressing what for me was a big drawback, compatibility with other PC's. The problem has been addressed and solved, at least in my case, with the dual core Mac that can run both as a PC and as a Mac. I am not going to buy an iPhone (even if it was available on Sprint) because my Treo 700p serves my needs better than what I understand the iPhone would do. (The removable battery is a big issue for me as well as the keypad issue and the no card issue). But I would not be surprised to see Apple put out a later version which appeals more to the business user. At that point, unless Palm has got its act together and addressed the issues raised in this forum, I may be in the market.
- 01-17-2007, 10:31 AM #27
As another poster was saying in another thread, he rarely saw an iPod overseas because of all those music phones.
- 01-17-2007, 10:35 AM #28
They may not have a position to protect but they are entering a saturated market. A lot of discussion in the mobile biz has been how there are too many OS's out there (Palm, WM5, Symbian, Linux, soon ALP) and the market cannot sustain even that many.
They're also going to have negotiate with these big companies which they have little experience with and not a great reputation for (since they often like to go-it alone and not to compromise their ideals) and are going to have to fight for contracts, whereas companies like Nokia are going to try to undercut them along the way.
I think your characterization misses those important notes and would basically say Apple has no barriers to the market, don't worry. I don't think realistically that is the case. How much those barriers will actually affect performance is anyone's guess.
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- 01-17-2007, 11:00 AM #32
It will cut into iPhone sales.Palm OS's days are numbered
It might be the OS for low cost smart phones, if they cant get it to work with wi-fi or 3g, but they will use it for something.Mobile OS X looks way better than the Palm OS
- 01-17-2007, 12:28 PM #33
Seriously, it would seem a voice of reason has no place in the discussion of the iPhone. It's obviously an emotional / religious experience. You either accept on faith that this is the most brilliant consumer device ever made (or at least the most brilliant phone ever made), or you're a "hater."Originally Posted by specimen38
Hmm, I find myself wondering why anyone who has the slightest doubt about the qualities of the phone, or who even suggests that we wait until the phone is actually available before evaluating it, is regarded as declaring war against Apple?
Chill people. We're all entitled to our opinion, but it seems a bit premature to annoint the iPhone before anyone's actually touched one, much less used it for a week or two to see how well it really works. To answer specimen's question, though, I think any negativity you see is simply a reaction to the unbridled adoration of the Applephiles, and the mass media, all of whom swallowed Steve Job's pronouncements as if they came from Jesus / Mohammed / Budda / Brahma (pick the deity / prophet of your choice*) himself. Maybe this will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Maybe not. Not a single one of us knows, yet.
*Personally, I'm rather fond of Cardea, the Roman Goddess of door hinges.
No, I'm not joking: http://www.unrv.com/culture/minor-roman-god-list.php
- 01-17-2007, 12:40 PM #34
Looks like palm has added another journalist to the payroll. It really reminds me of "expert witnesses" in court cases. This is just some guy....rest assured there will be more...being compensated to take the shine off the apple, so to speak.
I do find it interesting however that every single article bashing the iPhone ends up on TreoCentral....but then we all know who butters their bread.
- 01-17-2007, 01:27 PM #35
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- 01-17-2007, 04:46 PM #38
In the unlikely event you want my personal view, it's that the truth probably lies between the two extremes. Apple's position in the music player market probably will help the iPhone sell, but yes carrier negotiations and competition from the big phone manufacturers will probably be major hurdles. A couple of other points:
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- 01-17-2007, 07:45 PM #49
No, both. What people were wanting was the upgrade to the current video iPod. Technically the current one is a music player that also plays video. They are waiting for the true video iPod, video being a priority. As of now. it's actually secondary. All video players still play music, but the main focus is video.
Expect to pay $400 and up as of now, for video players. Creative, Cowon and Archos all have nice ones.
- 01-17-2007, 07:50 PM #50
:shake: "simply" -- not at all... Some iPhone opposing posters have been courteous and positive. On the hand there are some have been extremely negative and exercising a lot of energy spuing hatred toward a vapor product (iPhone). That's not simple by any stretch of the imagination.
"unbridled" -- That's a interesting word and perception.... Not at all... we're having fun talking about a new phone. There are a lot of people frustrated with their Treos.
"a reaction" -- I disagree. Their reactions are as I think are predispositions. Reminds me of the "pro-life" people attacking the pro-choice people. :hmm:
Not a single one of us knows, yet. So let's have some fun talking about it without trying to tell people how to think or how much enthusiams they should have!