- 01-14-2007, 09:50 AM #26
What's up Mtreosexual? I'm doin' well. Hope things are well with you. I am with you on the iPhone. As a debut product, it's years beyond everything else even without 3G. The lack of 3rd party stuff doesn't concern me because that's coming. Also, "ultimately" I think the we do not have much to worry about using the touchscreen keyboard. I don't think Steve Jobs (a heavy email user) is dumb enough to release a product that is crippled. Good hearing from you. I was in Manhattan last month for a few days. Take care....
- 01-14-2007, 11:12 AM #27
1) Only Cingular (phone is locked). Some will switch, most will not.
2) Price barrier
3) Need: some will want it, anyone over 40 will look the other way
4) No enterprise market
And don't forget, years after those admittedly impressive Mac computers, laptops and iPods it's still just 5% of the total computer market.
No one will "take over" the phone market, it'll be like anything else: 2 or maybe 3 dominant OS developers.
- 01-14-2007, 05:31 PM #28
- 01-14-2007, 05:41 PM #29
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- 01-14-2007, 06:02 PM #31
One problem about switching though, Cingular can't make up it's mind who it is. Now they're going to phase out "Cingular" and phase in "ATT" again! Many people might get confused again! Remember all the blue(former ATT customers who got phased over) and orange Cingular(those who signed up while Cingular was actually Cingular) crap! So now we're all going to be blue again, or what?
- 01-14-2007, 06:23 PM #32
2. Calculate the cost of your 3rd party apps , treo's aren't dirt cheap either.
3. Need ; The whole world does not do VOIP on cell phone or networking administration only a very few people. You would b esurprised how many people over 40 are using ipods and a non smartphone cell phone .
4. May be a different version down the line for enterprise market or may not be . Still a large number of non enterprise users will go for it .
Simialr can be said for Microsoft Zune . What 's the market share of MP3 world ,not even 5%.
- 01-14-2007, 06:26 PM #33
Also, note that isn't a measure of Windows computers vs. Mac Computers. It is Apple vs Dell, Gateway, HP, etc, etc. Much bigger pool.
The iPod has close 70% of the MP3 player marketshare.
- 01-14-2007, 06:29 PM #34
1) No doubt that an iPhone will go to other carriers but not till mid-2009
2) Yes, they are expensive (depends on how much you invest though, you are not forced to buy those)
3) It's just not VOIP
4) Speculation. Who knows at this point.
Zune stinks, no argument there. It's also been on the market for what 3 months? I'm not sure I'd compare it to Apple's computer business, either way no it will never catch up to the iPod.
- 01-14-2007, 06:33 PM #35
- 01-14-2007, 06:50 PM #36
I want to make clear: I'm not some rabid MS or PalmOS fan. Those systems/OSs have their clear limitations and problems. They are certainly not for everyone whereas a closed-system like the iPhone will be (for those who can afford it).
I'm just trying to a get a grip on what it can and can't do in relation to today's high end PDA phones.
At the end of the day though as I've always maintained:
- It will be a huge hit
- People will love it
- It will inspire innovation and make the market better
What I'm not convinced of (in it's current form) is that it can "kill off" the PDA phone market, which I do not think it is suppose to do anyways.
It will be in it's own category.
- 01-14-2007, 08:05 PM #37
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- 01-14-2007, 10:24 PM #40
Having said that my iPod nano has crashed, which I was even surprised. Happens sometimes when I sync or connect it up to my Pioneer car stereo. Not often but a few times.
I do hate iTunes on the PC. Memory hog.
- 01-15-2007, 01:18 AM #41
- 01-15-2007, 03:42 AM #42
I don't think I've had a treo that's not reset within an day of having it - so what you are saying is that it's likely to be twice as reliable.
I think when you get down to it - none of those "smart" type device have ever been that reliable (well except for my e61 which has been rock-solid from day 1).
- 01-15-2007, 06:49 AM #43
This is the first time Palm has been forced to innovate in a LONG time. I firmly believe we'd still have a 160x160 screen on all Palms if it wasn't for Sony pushing the envelope many years ago. When Sony left POS, they took almost all innovation with them. Palm had no reason to innovate.
Either way, this is good for the consumer. I've been looking for the Treo killer for years. This isn't it, but I think it may inspire one.
- 01-15-2007, 07:18 AM #44
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- 01-15-2007, 07:57 AM #46
In some respects I have been a bit disappointed with the lack of 3rd party apps but the trade-off was worth it - the amount of times that my 650 would lock during calls or during dialing.
After having the e61 for a bit (which pardoxically gets far more use than my treo 650 loaded with apps ever did), I've come to the conclusion that I don't require a PDA with a phone stuck on it (treo) but a Phone that has some PIM* function - which is what the e61 is.
* compared to the Palm PIM or 3rd party apps like Agendus or Datebk5 - the symbian PIM is seriously weak but I've got used to it.
- 01-15-2007, 01:42 PM #47
I imagine that we'll all be wondering what the heck we were thinking when we were saying that hard-button keyboards were the only way to go...
For the record, I'm highly skeptical of what the on-screen keyboard will be like compared to the Treo's, but I'm not so closed-minded to think that it couldn't be better and, as Apple is famous for, the first example of the future of the phone-keyboard interfaces.
I'm picturing the proximity sensor acting in the way that Apple's dock does when you have the magnify setting on. Sensing where your fingertip is and enlarging the key/keys near where you are so that the functional size of the keys is much larger than the on-screen size when you don't have a finger hovering.
I could see this working very well IF the proximity sensor dealio works well and lasts as long as the phone.
- 01-15-2007, 01:55 PM #48
I had no issue with the floppy being removed, it could not have been done sooner. Actually I still carried one for 2 years in my laptop without ever using it (some Compaq thing).
On my current laptop I have a CD/DVD combo, also that may be taken out if I had something to say about it (never use CD/DVD unless home, so I can just as well make a network connection to my desktop computer).
I see your point though, and I think I was very clear this was a personal opinion. Everyone is entitled to have one.
Luckily we all are quite different in our needs and wants, it would be a dull place otherwise (and we would not be having this discussion either )
- 01-15-2007, 06:28 PM #49
Yeah, sorry, nothing against you specifically, your post just clarified something that was bothering me about the knocks on the on-screen keyboard.
I was thinking that Apple was one generation too early in the floppy removal back then. I wasn't screaming by any means, but I was skeptical.
I've said in other posts that the way that the keyboard works will make or break this phone for those of us that are at the high-end of the target market (prosumers, if I had to put a label on it).
Having used Macs for so long and a Treo touchscreen, I feel like I have a good guess what the user experience will be like, at least 80% of it, but the one thing I want to play with in person is the keyboard
- 01-15-2007, 11:04 PM #50
Right on !!
E 61, made me realize , i need a solid phone first and PDA functions are secondary and if needed, i will sacrifice the later.
Great battery life , awesome sound quality ,rock solid . A tad slow UI , but reflexes have adapted. My T650 is gathering dust for last 6 months.
I am looking forward to iphone.