- 01-09-2007, 08:39 PM #51
- 01-09-2007, 08:46 PM #52
- 01-09-2007, 09:14 PM #53
For all this endless complaining about the lack of a QWERTY keyboard, am I the only one thats actually LOOKED AT the specs of the phone?
Under the SMS link it shows a full QWERTY popup keyboard. Under the email playthrough - if you watch it - it shows the same thing a full QWERTY keyboard.
I cant say how great it will be, or how it works, or if touchscreen will be all that its cracked up to be - but considering its still in development, IT IS THERE!!!
- 01-09-2007, 09:32 PM #54
i think ppl know the virtual kb is there, the fact that it is a virtual kb is a deal killer. ppl like the tactile feel of a real kb.
the question about this virtual kb, how well does it work.
according to a post on gizmodo, the letters pop up (become bigger) when you move your finger over them, making it easier to hit the right key.
we will have to wait and see how well this works.
- 01-09-2007, 09:37 PM #55
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- 01-09-2007, 10:26 PM #57
www.apple.com/iphone You can go to "Watch the keynote" and see Steve Jobs entire 2 hour presentation from today where he goes thru everything the phone does and how to do it. (by the way it didn't crash and he didn't have to soft reset it!)
- 01-09-2007, 10:47 PM #58
i'm still waiting for all of the Treo power users and Treo die-hards to chime in...they've been awful quiet with the exception of "the keyboard issue" and "EDGE being so slow."
where are all of the supporters?
funny to think back at how defensive some get at the slightest mention of a fault. well, now many of those faults have been remedied but by someone else.
like i've said, it's good to keep an open mind. the treo is not the end-all and perhaps the i-phone isn't either, but i must admit, it's a step in the right direction.
a cool factor that Treo's will NEVER be able to emulate.
jury still out on the keyboard though....i will admit, if the typing capability is goofy they will have lost out on many a sale. would i still buy one as a secondary device? hell yes.
- 01-09-2007, 11:43 PM #59
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- 01-10-2007, 12:33 AM #61
- 01-10-2007, 01:08 AM #62
- 01-10-2007, 01:58 AM #63
Yeah, well, I admit the device is everything we could have ever hoped for and more. I can't believe Apple finally released a product that everyone has been screaming for so long. And did it beyond anyones hopes. Honestly, the Palm OS finally died today. Palm might limp along selling Windows CE Treo's to the business market, but Palm OS is dead dead dead.
It's hard to believe a company could jump into the smartphone market and with their first generation product not only leap-frog ALL the competition, but clobber it sufficiently that it will take years for any of them to come even close. Apple/NeXT spent DECADES building the foundation that sets this phone apart from anyone else's product. Symbian will take years to approach it. Windows CE, too. The only people who won't buy this phone will be those who can't afford it (until Apple can create a cheaper one) and those who have to use a business provided phone (Blackberry/CE/etc). In six months my Treo, and every other non-business smartphone, will be a paper weight.
Of course, the phone could be a buggy piece of crap on arrival in June, but somehow I really doubt it. And, of course, Sony could take the low road and dress up their phones with more glitter and better integrated apps and then sell them at a much lower price point than Apple. That's pretty much the industries only hope to sell around Apple.
And what really p***es everyone in the industry off? Apple doesn't license.
- 01-10-2007, 07:43 AM #64
Also, I'm more than surprised when people are dismissive of 8 frickin' gigs of storage, when the Treo gets a pat on the back for falling short of 3-digit Megs.
* dial-up networking is a must. (Maybe it shouldn't be, but it's more important to me than wi-fi.)
* MS Office-compatible programs are a must.
* Screen protection is a must, although I'm not sure how we can both protect it AND use it - even with a thin film over it. No buttons means fewer possible broken parts, but it also means you can't just keep the screen covered while you use the buttons.
- 01-10-2007, 08:03 AM #65
- 01-10-2007, 08:08 AM #66
I'd love it if the thing accepted external cards, too (not to mention a removable battery), but I couldn't bring myself to say "only 8GB." I'm amazed that anyone could.
Btw, a removable battery is extremely important. I just had to say that, again.
- 01-10-2007, 09:26 AM #67
Why I am not buying the iPhone (yet).
It's not avaialable until June.
Alright all kidding aside, after my mini-technogasm and metophoric cigarette I have calmed down and examined the thing rationally. I have decided to will wait until iPhone's next gen to deside to abandon Treo for the following reasons:
1. GSM: Sorry you international folks, I have used both CDMA & GSM phones extensively, I just see no comparison for building penetration, reception, or voice quality here in the U.S. CDMA is superior.
2. Non-removable battery: Treo made this mistake in the begining too. But there is big difference with your ipod running out of juice and your phone running out.
3. No expansion card: I know, this is not how apple operates, they want you to buy new gadgets with higher GBs, but really, do you want to buy a new iphone every six months when you run out of space?
4. EDGE: It looked peppy on wifi, but what hapens when you take it off the rez? How can Jobs say this phone is 5 years ahead of the competition with 2 year old data speeds? I am sure when 3G rolls out for GSM this will not be an issue. I am also sure you will need to buy a new phone.
5. Contract: I think Apple is making a mistake with the exclusivity agreement with AT&T. People like choices, have carrier loyalty and have contract obligations. If they really wanted to seize market share the need to use multiple carriers. It would be throwing good money after bad for many to pay penalties to one carrier, just to fork over $600 to another.
6. Finally, it aint a smartphone: You take what Apple feeds you, and that's it. For most, this will not matter, and even I might live with it depending on software availability (an unknown at this time), but for many, the smartphone is the thing.
I have more, but those are the main issues. I will wait and see the bugs shake out before biting.
- 01-10-2007, 09:52 AM #68
Sure, you can keep buying cards, but you're also switching'em out.
Again, I agree that expansion is a great option, but 8GB internal is impressive, as well.
- 01-10-2007, 12:07 PM #69
Only 8 GIGS of memory????? Who needs a removable card with 8 GIGS of built in memory. OMG, think of the possibilities....
Go to this link http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/, and page down somewhat, and there is indeed a finger operated querty keyboard that looks pretty cool.
As to the replaceable battery, the battery life looks phenomenal and like the ipods, I am sure apple will have a quick and easy battery replacement program for when the time comes. I don't see that as a problem.
all in all, compared to what is out there this thing is freaking unbelievable!!! (imho)
- 01-10-2007, 12:35 PM #70
The non-removable battery issue is, imho, a moot point.
1. How many cell phones out there have removable batteries anyway? The vast majority of the public is used to recharging their cell phone periodically. End of story.
2. There are a number of portable recharging devices that can be used to recharge a cell or ipod. They are not much bigger than the treo 700 replacement batteries, and come in lots of varieties (take "AAA" batteries, etc).
Having looked at the iphone, I'm believe the treo will be greatly affected in the negative. My next phone will be the iPhone.
- 01-10-2007, 12:46 PM #71
When I got my first digital camera, I didn't see what the big deal was about hooking your device up to the computer to transfer pix. Now I see that it can be an inconvenience.
For one thing, keeping that doggone cord with you may be a pain. For another, the device has to be handy AND juiced-up.
It's an unnecessary inconvenience.
- 01-10-2007, 12:51 PM #72
I dunno what phones you've been looking at, but there are a number of them that have replaceable batteries.
I'm not just talking smartphones, either. My previous clamshell had a removable battery and even had optional travel batteries with greater capacities.
Sometimes, we run out of juice at inconvenient times. It'd be nice - no, at times, it'd be ESSENTIAL to be able to replace the battery as quickly as I can do so with my Treo.
All I've seen are one-use devices. It'd be much more economical and convenient to put that power in the consumer's hands, from the get-go.
- 01-10-2007, 12:54 PM #73
I'll jump in to save the ugly maiden now called Treo... I'll do the best I can to play devil's advocate against the iPhone (Steve Jobs, please don't read my following post! I promise is just an excercise of the mind ):
- Lack of expandability. Yes, 8GB is a lot of memory by today's standards. And we are all assuming those 8GB are user accesible, no mention how much of that is taken by the OS/apps. Anyhow, assuming 8GB for the user, I can see myself filling it up with music and movies somewhat fast. A regular 1:30 hrs movie for a 320 by 240 screen takes about 200MB-500MB or so depending on the quality, and with the bigger iPhone screen I will certainly rip my movies for a larger format; AACs are slightly bigger than MP3s... so yes, expansion could be needed at some point. Let us say that expansion ports/cards so far have not made a phone worse.
- EDGE vs UMTS vs EVDO vs WiFi. This has been the ongoing Treo discussion for ages, as well as for other phones. Definitely is a let down any way you see it that the iPhone only handles EDGE, that is a hard fact that many webblogs are pointing out. The device certainly has other attractive features to distract us from that shortcoming, particularly the switch over to WiFi when possible.
UMTS/HSDPA are at this point very limited in coverage. EVDO today wins that race. How do I know? Because I own a 3G PC card from Cingular for my laptop and I have a Treo 700p that I can use as a modem too. In the same location I use both and I have not gotten solid 3G coverage yet in Portland, OR (Portland IS included in the 3G list by Cingular). True fact, when I get 3G the speeds are amazing.
EDGE certainly is usable, but the omision of a 3G service in the phone may be the one blemish that could tip a few users before upgrading.
And yes, as much as one wants to defend the Treo... the thing does not have WiFi included. Period. There's no saving grace in that around these days.
- Lack of real keyboard. As it was mentioned in a few of the several posts in this iPhone topic, tactile feedback is what makes or breaks usability. Indeed a touch-based keyboard sounds good for writting down a speedy note or short email, but to go and type a full blog post online while I am in my lunch break, I'll take my small Treo keyboard any day of the week. Ok, maybe after trying the iPhone I could change my mind, but today I am square-minded and I believe my real keyboard still deserves the crown.
- That screen is screaming scratches/cracks/you-name-it. If the Treo requires some extra care... man the iPhone requires national security level attention!
So those are my points on saving Private Treo... now Steve Jobs, if you did not pay attention and read my post, shame on you! But I am more than open to receive an iPhone sample to test and maybe that will help change my mind
- 01-10-2007, 12:58 PM #74
6)If you honestly went to www.apple.com/iphone, watched the keynote and think that ain't a smartphone then i'd hate to hear what you call a Treo!
- 01-10-2007, 02:00 PM #75