- 01-09-2007, 03:14 PM #26
Hmm... there's another good thing with this phone. They kick Palm in the a**. They'll now need definitely better ideas than selling several years old hardware in different cases... You have time till October to win my heart back, Palm.
- 01-09-2007, 03:14 PM #27
- 01-09-2007, 03:21 PM #28
I am sorry but you see that sticking in Palm? That's a giant fork.
I work (indirectly) for Palm. I sell and support Treos all day long and I have long said that if Apple came out with a smartphone that would be the death of Palm. For that past couple months I have been suspecting an Iphone but I figured it would not be a smartphone. Just a phone that could integrate well with I-Tunes.
I am blown away. I have a feeling there are quite a few people at Palm that are busy working on their resumes as am I.
This is the Treo killer I am afraid.
Sure there are a few shortcomings that we can nit pick over but the fact of the matter is this...
1) It's their first one and given how quickly they brought it to market just shows their superiority over Palm.
2) I am a MacBook owner which has had it's far share of well publicized bugs but almost all them were quickly addressed and corrected by Apple. I am sure this phone will suffer from some bugs and issues once it hits the market but Apple had proven that they are quick to address these types of concerns something that cannot be said for Palm.
3) The majority of people I deal with on a day to day basis are Mac users. Mac users LOVE Palm because it is pretty much the only smartphone maker that isn't cramming WinMobile down their throats. So much for that.
4) Apple freaks love anything Apple does and those people will run out and buy this. Palm just lost a huge chunk of their market.
Ok...I know I am rambling and I am sorry. I guess I am still trying to digest all of this. I have been a Palm user since day one. I have a long history with this company. I have seen them on what appeared to be their deathbed before and they have struggled back. Let's see if they can do it again.
- 01-09-2007, 03:23 PM #29
Addressing a couple of well pointed critiques:
1) Only an 8gb hard drive - this is irrelevant as you will sync your iPhone through iTunes on your computer. Whatever data you need on the iPhone will sync seamlessly. And not only is 8gb more than 64kb, the treo I think can only use 4gb SD cards.
2) Edge only -
a) the iPhone has WiFi
b) Hi Speed GSM on the 2008 v2
3) iPhone was purchased from Cisco and announced simultaneously by Cisco during the MacWorld conference.
I think the iPhone is going to seriously damage Palm's plans for the 680, even with the price point disparity.
- 01-09-2007, 03:32 PM #30
The design is not only elegant, it is revolutionay. Now I can stop worrying about UMTS/POS. iPhone is to Treo as ........
As to "disappointed." perhaps you missed the part where Apple Stock was up 8.31% and Palm was down 5.7%. I think that is a vote on "disappointed."
Any offers on my 680? I think I waited too long to get rid of it.
- 01-09-2007, 03:40 PM #31
- 01-09-2007, 03:45 PM #32
Agreed about Edge vs UMTS. As thin as this thing is...battery life with EDGE was probably a better choice. And besides, unless it'll connect to your Vista or XP laptop and function as a wireless modem - EDGE should be fast enough if blazer is not part of the picture.
With iTunes onboard and everything else - well running a UMTS that supports data at the same time as voice - this is a phone first and not a data conduit device. This will be a consumer device and not an Enterprise device - initially. I wouldn't be surprised that before this comes out that Apple doesn't announce some sort of Enterprise iPhone that has UMTS/HSPDA functionality without some of the "consumer" preferences.
Remember this was announced at the CES show and not the EES show.
It won't replace a Cingular 8525 from a corporate perspective - but every kid that owns a phone and an iPod will line up for this puppy......I can already here my Daughter complaining that I don't give her enough allowance to be able to buy this thing say June 1st.
- 01-09-2007, 03:47 PM #33
I just posted an article at the following link summarizing the capabilities of the iPhone. It is basically has every improvement we've asked for over the last few years while Palm worked on other things - whatever they were - and ignored us. Steve Jobs just put the fear of God into the Palm CEO who laughed at the idea of iPhone competition just a few weeks ago.
iPhone = iToldYouSo (i.e. weToldYouSo) for Palm
- 01-09-2007, 04:02 PM #34
If anything, the iPhone has been the one and only device to this day to shake the "smartphone" arena to its very foundations. And that ain't no small thing. The only other device that achieved that was, yes, the Treo 600 and it actually defined the whole term...
In terms of features, there's some debate on the inclusion of EDGE vs 3G. They definitely are off-setting that with WiFi switchover. Yes, a 3G will be coming as a natural evolution, but this first iteration seems to be just in the right direction.
Everything else in this device is just plain revolutionary.
Let me tell you, the ripples of this wave are far reaching. And we all hope Palm can have a comeback... and soon.
Today the Treo has died... long live the Treo!
- 01-09-2007, 04:03 PM #35
Gotta point to the truth though and Mr. Colligan did NOT say that or laugh off the iPhone, read HERE.
This is niche market device, imo. Without a keyboard, 3g (for goodness sakes, Sprint is getting to roll out 4g in 2007!) or expandable memory and a focus on music/media and not business I do not think it'll be a thread to Palm.
Palm is a thread to Palm. lol
- 01-09-2007, 04:03 PM #36
im without a doubt going to switch from palm to the iphone. I love apple products and having osx on the phone is a big plus.
Im sooooo sick of Palms faulty phones. My 13th refurbished phone is coming in the mail soon. Seems these phones dont last for 2 months before something goes haywire - for me at least.. im a heavy user.
Palms features look great on paper but the device just doesnt cut it under heavy use.
- 01-09-2007, 04:07 PM #37
- 01-09-2007, 04:08 PM #38
- 01-09-2007, 04:32 PM #39
I think this phone will work like an iPod, i.e., it's not designed to download directly from the iTunes store. You do your downloads to your PC and then sync up with you iPhone. This makes EDGE less of an issue for downloads, but it will still suck for surfing the internet.
Of course, once my city's citywide wifi network is up, I won't care about how slow EDGE is.
- 01-09-2007, 04:46 PM #40
- 01-09-2007, 05:30 PM #41
- 01-09-2007, 05:50 PM #42
- 01-09-2007, 05:53 PM #43
- 01-09-2007, 06:16 PM #44
I think this will kill palm's treo line. I think a lot of those here mentioning data speed are not users of wifi. I am a business user and I am bathed in wifi all day and night. As far as exchange integration, this is a red herring for most business users anyway.Palm already screwed its users by not putting wifi on the treos.
Business users now something else - Palm has a well deserved reputation for total lack of support. Not just to users as reflected here, but to developers. This has a big business use impact.
Finally on "broadband speeds" it is clear to anyone who has tested blazer page downloads that the stated speed we should be getting is NOWHERE near the speed we should be getting. "High speed" on a treo is like high octane fuel on an old vw bug .
someone mentioned that this phone has everything Palm users have been asking for on Treo central -- for a very long time.
Six and eight gigs is not a lot but it is plenty more than the competition including TREO, and there is no reason not to think apple will bring this up to whatever costs the equivalent each year with an eventual slot as well.
Don't forget this is the beginning of a line.
I bought 3 to 5 treo devices last year (sprint exchanged two of my 700p units for 700wx). Before that I have owned two other palm devices. I wouldn't buy another palm device in a million years. It is completely clear we users are not palm's clients. the phone companies are. It is clear Palm won't support its own operating system, not even for obviously needed updates to real problems.
- 01-09-2007, 06:33 PM #45
- 01-09-2007, 06:50 PM #46
Treo is dead, iPhone is the future
The Treo, Blackberry, Q, Razor and whatever else are toast, finished, dead, paperweights next to the new iPhone.
Palm and the Treo have rested on their laurels and haven't innovated enough over the years.
I have owned numerous Palms spanning from a Palm Professional, Palm III, Visor, Treo 300, Treo 600, and Treo 650.
I would THROW AWAY my Treo 650 tomorrow if I could get an iPhone and use my company email on it.
Palm are you listening, you WILL die if you don't innovate and come up with a product as good as the iPhone.
I honestly don't think Treo and the Palm OS has the capability to survive. The Palm OS is crap. The Mac OS X is great( I own a new intel iMac), and Apple excels like no one else at making products that work and exceptionally well.
I hope Treo can survive for competition alone, but it will take at least Jeff Hawkins back to save the Treo!
TreoCentral you may think about reserving the domain name "iPhoneCentral". I already moved with you from VisorCentral to TreoCentral.
Hop aboard the bandwagon, my prediction 2 years from now TreoCentral is shuddered just like VisorCentral and we're all chatting on iPhoneCentral's boards!
- 01-09-2007, 06:50 PM #47
- 01-09-2007, 06:54 PM #48
and for ****es and giggles, EDGE isn't as slow as some of the users make it out to be. it downloads data at acceptable speeds and i currently have a 3G 750. my last devices? EVDO and EDGE....on the margin they're all pretty quick, 3G obviously the quickest.
- 01-09-2007, 07:34 PM #49
Just one thing:
A $600 phone that you can't hear the person you are talking to?
That's how much I paid for my Treo when it first came out. And after all this time, i hear the 680 still has the same problem. You have to buy a 3rd party software to be able to use the phone.
I'm ready for something new.
- 01-09-2007, 07:40 PM #50