- 01-10-2007, 03:13 PM #101
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- 01-10-2007, 04:23 PM #103
If they have a plan to remove the limitation I would like them to say that too, but that is not as important.
- 01-10-2007, 05:15 PM #104
I don't remember who exactly it was, but in one of the pre-700p vids, a higher up Palm person was interviewed about the 700p. He said the 700p didn't need wifi because it had Ev-DO and wifi would eat the battery too quickly. He didn't (and probably wouldn't ever) tell you that PalmOS can't handle wifi on a Treo.
- 01-10-2007, 06:59 PM #105
- 01-10-2007, 07:23 PM #106
I personally don't think it's a question of "new" features. I think it's essentially built off of existing features but enhanced the "Apple" way. This is how I see Technology growing. There hasn't been anything really earth shattering lately, but there have been some great improvements on existing features.
Not sure what you're looking for here. If the iPhone isn't for you, thats cool....Apple's shown (with the iPod) that they know what works. I'm sure they know there's a huge demand for this type of device.
- 01-10-2007, 08:58 PM #107
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- 01-10-2007, 10:59 PM #110
Remember, there are probably a lot of people who want an iPhone and now won't take on a new contract over the next 6 months anticipating their June Cingular purchase.
Then, there are those that just have to have it and will terminate.
- 01-11-2007, 12:05 AM #111
I wouldn't blame others who didn't want to, however. I never thought about switching to get a "better" Treo, when the 700p came out. 3G speed just wasn't enough of a motivator. The iPhone's UI would be worth the hassle and cost, for me at least.
With 58 million current Cingular customers, Apple doesn't have to worry too much about convincing people to switch carriers. At least not at first.
- 01-11-2007, 12:15 AM #112
Palm just doesn't have the clout in the industry to pull that off. Doesn't mean that other companies don't.
- 01-11-2007, 12:19 AM #113
- 01-11-2007, 12:23 AM #114
By the way, I went to the Expo today and got a glimpse for myself. Even under glass, iPhone, like most Apple products, looks even better in person than it does in pictures. It's smaller than I thought. Very slightly taller and wider than the Treo, but a LOT thinner. Should fit well into a pocket.
I no longer believe Palm's excuse that the touch screen necessitates a fat device.
I think the retail presence of Apple's and Cingular's physical stores is going to help sell this thing. It just begs to be touched and fiddled with.
- 01-11-2007, 05:29 AM #115
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- 01-12-2007, 01:31 AM #120
I think the main feature of this phone is not to have to carry around an ipod and separate phone at the same time. While you may not think of this as a main feature it is considered more of a functional feature, Apple knows what todays society wants, lets face it itunes just sold it's 2 billionth song now thats a lot of music. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/01/09itunes.html
Before I had a treo I had an ipod and separate phone and it sucked to have to charge two devices at once or buy two different types of accessories. Call me lazy and cheap (which I am). I like society want cheap, easy and convenience.
- 01-12-2007, 02:37 AM #121
Someone mentioned this after seeing it in person and I had to pull out a ruler to convince myself, but the front view size of this thing is barely over the size of my 650 WITHOUT the antenna (tech specs on Apple's site). The photo on Apple's site appeared larger than actual size on my screen. Until I noticed that, i was thinking it was going to be too large.
two key issues
Everything will rest on two issues in my mind as to how much this will or won't kill Palm (supposing they don't quickly come out with new models): the utility of the touch-screen keyboard (I love my 650's keys) and how quickly they get developers to build out apps (Office documents especially for the business user).
The other thing that I've not seen mentioned is that this isn't a video iPod replacement necessarily, it's more like a video iPod shuffle. People keep commenting on the storage space being that of a nano, and it is, but that's why it syncs with your computer and iTunes already has the function to auto-fill a certain amount of space at random.
Like with a shuffle and music... you can't have all of your music on it at once, but you can put enough on it for a good long while before your next sync puts something else on there automatically or you put things on there manually. Same with the iPhone exept it's video and music now.
Apple has a HUGE iTunes/iPod customer base out there with stuff on their computer that they can swap out on the iphone all they want. They don't have to have it ALL on there, these folks are already used to syncing and it's not daunting for them to think about moving music and videos back and forth.... also, since it's a phone, you'll be interacting with it more often and will have it handy. I leave my iPod in my Jeep for weeks at a time, I'd be more apt to update an iphone a lot more often.
We all should have seen this coming... anyone with a Mac laptop with the two-finger scrolling function tried using another laptop? I HATE having to deal without this.
I will be in the store the first day they have these to play and play. Thank you SunCom for sucking so bad that I switched to Cingular for my 650!!!!
I can't wait to see what happens to this market now that all of the other companies will have to try to keep up. BRING ON THE COOL GADETS!!!
- 01-12-2007, 05:09 AM #122
- 01-12-2007, 09:14 AM #123
IMHO, the fact that it will have Wifi makes it almost STUPID not to go after business users with the lack of that particular feature on most phones, Palms and BBs. I'm around wifi almost all day except in the car. Wifi speed all day long makes me smile and remember about the only cool part about my old Tungsten C other than the keyboard.
With the iphone running some flavor of OSX, I'm assuming that VPNs and corporate mail access won't be a big problem... so what else is there that would stop it from being perfect for a business user? My biggest personal need would be Office apps (I'm assuming PDFs wouldn't be an issue either with OSX as an OS)
- 01-12-2007, 09:37 AM #124
Again this is totally my opnion on this, I may be WAY off-Base all together. I'm not trying to offend anyone either, I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents to the iPhone.
- 01-12-2007, 09:39 AM #125
For starters, how is a business user going to sync his iPhone with his corporate Exchange server? If everything we've read about third party apps not being available and Apple hasnt put in Exchange support themselves, then how will people access Exchange servers?
How is a business user going to have office productivity on the go?
Where's the high speed data connection? A real business user would rather go for a TyTn (8525) or a 750 because of the faster data speeds. EDGE, or UMTS/HSDPA....which would you rather have if you're trying to get things done quicker?
I'm quite sure the main reason they put wifi on it was because of the lack of 3G data, and because their targer market (the consumer market) may not want to pay Cingular's high data rates (I believe it's something like $40 a month for unlimited data)
Not to mention that most corporations wouldn't want to spend $500 or $600 on phones for their employees, when they could get more functional, more practical devices for less than that.
If they want business users to get interested in the iPhone, remove the 4GB/8GB of storage and put in an external memory slot (SD), put on a real keyboard, and proper Exchange support and Office productivity. It would probably be a good idea to also open up to third parties so people can use Goodlink and Blackberry Exchange if they need to.