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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Fanelli View Post
    Android is a smart call, much more features. I would like an answer from you (your in the anti BB generation) why is it a joke
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    Makes sense, the OP's move.

    I made the jump myself when iOS's lockdowns just annoyed me too much, back before iOS 5.0 came out.

    iCloud brought me back, as well as my inability to stop installing apps, which gave my Nexus truly terrible battery life. (I know, I know, the Galaxy S5 and others have amazing battery life. Times change.)

    I actually prefer the iPhone 5's size. Easier to deal with in the pocket. Anyway, having choices is good -- if/when the 5.5 inch iPhone 6 comes out, perhaps we'll see some of that sort return.

    I have both an iPad and an Xperia Tablet Z -- I know the fun of tinkering with the OSes. It's a fun pastime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishfam4 View Post
    Now, fast forward to January of this year. Not much had really changed regarding my view on Apple. Then I discovered the Galaxy Note lineup of devices. I didn't want to admit it at the time, but I thought "Wow, these really ARE better than iOS". I also started to realize how much I hated a 3.5" screen, and iOS 7+ iPhone 4 =/= smooth user experience, BTW.
    You're comparing a device that's several years old versus a new device. That's never a good idea. While I'd certainly agree that's a good reason to upgrade, it's not really a point worth making. I could compare the 5s to the S2 and come up with similar reasoning. I'm not saying stick with Apple. I'm saying it's time you start being honest with yourself. Being a fanboy for either company isn't healthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishfam4 View Post
    Open Source. If I'm going to build apps, I want to be able to use any computer I want, not a specialized one.
    The ability to develop on a wider range of machines isn't what makes something open source. But, I get what you mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishfam4 View Post
    Fragmentation. While this may be considered a "toxic hellstew" (yes, I watched WWDC) by some people, this should really just be called "free will" or "excessive amounts of choices" instead of "fragmentation" (BTW, I actually prefer TouchWiz to stock Android). Even if my phone doesn't get the newest software, I have the choice to slap on a new launcher, theme and/or keyboard and call it a "software update".
    As you start to program, you'll understand why it's called fragmentation more. It's not the wide range of choices you're seeing it as now. By now, you should have realized computers are dumb. They'll only do EXACTLY what you tell them to do. The wide range of choices you mentioned also include a wide range of hardware options that each have their own programming requirements. The programmer for your favorite app has to take the time to make the app work for each potential device. That's why it becomes important to select an Android device that is popular. Generally, programmers will accommodate those devices first and eventually branch to the less popular devices. You likely won't run into a problem with Samsung devices, but it's a concept you should understand going forward as it sounds like programming is something you're interested in.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fishfam4 View Post
    Standard Connectors. This is technically a feature, but it deserves a bullet point of its own. By using microUSB, I can almost guarantee that excluding iOS, I'll be able to use my current cords (assuming the don't die) with pretty much any other phone, casual camera, hard drive, computer, flash drive or portable battery. This is amazing, and I can't believe Apple hasn't changed their charger standard yet. (Well, that last bit's a lie, Apple is stubborn in some regards)
    One of my coworkers has the new Galaxy. Her phone doesn't charge with the standard charger either. If this is something that is actually important to you, rather than a talking point, you might want to take a look at that before you buy. There are other Android options available. Although, why is this important? Buying a cable isn't any different than buying a cable. Both are popular cables and easy to get your hands on when you need one.


    Go after the device that makes you happy. Just, don't talk yourself into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmburke1982 View Post
    Good luck with your choice, but I think the write up would hold more water if done after spending some time with the android device instead of what you've read/seen briefly at a store.



    Good luck!

    This! He's talking about a device he's never really "used" versus an old phone. Full o' fail.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishfam4 View Post
    Hey guys! I'm Fishfam, and you may have seen me around recently. Probably not, but whatever. I'll just jump right into this essay-length post. I've decided, that after several years of Apple fanboyism, I'm going to switch to Android.

    ...I've also recently started learning various programming languages (currently learning Java, HTML and CSS, and I'm going to learn C++, Python, JavaScript etc.) so the ability to actually code for a mobile OS without buying an (IMO) overpriced Mac is awesome.
    Go for programming if it appeals to you. Good to see you have identified an interest early on. This to me is an important point that could get lost in the bigger discussion. Best wishes to you in this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Les74 View Post
    No offense, but I stopped reading when you said you were 14. I didn't know a whole lot at 14 either....


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_tech_eater View Post
    Also, as stated above; I was also pretty stupid when I was 14-years-old!
    So, let me get this straight:
    Switches to Android at 30+:
    "Well, it's your money and your decision. I just don't agree with it."
    Switches to Android at 14:
    "Stupid kid, grow up and know that what I think is best is true!"

    This reasoning makes kids feel that they aren't special, and can make them push opportunities away because they're "stupid", and aren't adults yet.

    Just because you were stupid at 14 doesn't mean that everyone else was/is/will be.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_tech_eater View Post
    Well duh! I would switch to android too if I was basing my iOS experience off an iPhone 4! There's nothing wrong with you switching, but the iPhone 4 IS NOT the latest iPhone, therefore you really can't judge apple based off the iPhone 4.
    I hope to try T-Mobile's test drive program to try out the 5S (and T-Mobile's network) for a week. Plus my parents have 5s (plural of the iPhone 5, not singular 5S), which aren't terribly outdated.

    So you'll wake up and see 1) that your not using logic by basing your judgement of iOS off your two outdated devices and 2) that Android, WP and blackberry all suck compared to iOS. But again, it's your choice., but you'll reap the consequences of your choices.
    See above paragraph.
    Quote Originally Posted by reeneebob View Post
    All I got from this was the following: I've owned so many android devices, and I've custom Rommed them, and dealt with all the issues that arise when one starts romming...and I think it's really irresponsible to promote romming to ones grandparents. Too much can go wrong with the devices and you never know when an emergency will happen.
    1) I've never owned an Android device, ROMed or otherwise.
    2) I don't plan on ROMing/rooting, I don't fancy bricking a $750 phone.
    3) I think it's irresponsible to promote ROMing/rooting to MY grandparents, who have no reason to and wouldn't do anything with it anyway.
    4) Actually, that last sentence is actually true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Fanelli View Post
    Android is a smart call, much more features. I would like an answer from you (your in the anti BB generation) why is it a joke
    About BB, the meme was just a joke, and I completely respect people who choose it.

    It just seems like BB's been on life support for the past few years, although the Amazon App Store may revitalize them...
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    1) I've never owned an Android device, ROMed or otherwise.
    2) I don't plan on ROMing/rooting, I don't fancy bricking a $750 phone.
    3) I think it's irresponsible to promote ROMing/rooting to MY grandparents, who have no reason to and wouldn't do anything with it anyway.
    4) Actually, that last sentence is actually true.

    Didn't sound that way from YOUR quote:

    "
    Android is a great OS, but it can be complicated for some non-tech-savvy users (like my grandparents who bought them over iPhone two years ago because of their customizability, yet don't know that alternate keyboards, launchers and ROMs are possible until I, the person who's never owned an Android, told them about them). "
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    Hey guys! I'm Fishfam, and you may have seen me around recently. Probably not, but whatever. I'll just jump right into this essay-length post. I've decided, that after several years of Apple fanboyism, I'm going to switch to Android.

    Now, let me explain my tech backstory.

    For as long as I can remember (I'm 14, so not that long ago) someone in my family family has had some sort of Apple product, whether that be iPods, or MacBooks or iPhones. So, when it came time for me to get my first personal electronic device, back in 2011, I naturally chose the 4th-gen iPod touch. I had so much fun with that thing, but then in December of 2012, I received a third generation iPad (outdated several months before I got it) and an iPhone 4. That was the happiest day I think I've ever had. (This is when you start to wonder what the heck this has to do with the title, but never fear, this is necessary) Now, at the time, I was also a bit (OK a lot) of a fanboy, and this only kicked that up a notch.)

    Now, fast forward to January of this year. Not much had really changed regarding my view on Apple. Then I discovered the Galaxy Note lineup of devices. I didn't want to admit it at the time, but I thought "Wow, these really ARE better than iOS". I also started to realize how much I hated a 3.5" screen, and iOS 7+ iPhone 4 =/= smooth user experience, BTW. So, I went to Best Buy and tried the Note 3 out, which pretty much confirmed that I'm getting the Note 4 in December. Then, another thing happened. The Galaxy Tab/NotePRO lineup was released. I've wanted the NotePRO 12.2 ever since, and I'm going to try selling my iPad to attempt to get it. I've also recently started learning various programming languages (currently learning Java, HTML and CSS, and I'm going to learn C++, Python, JavaScript etc.) so the ability to actually code for a mobile OS without buying an (IMO) overpriced Mac is awesome.

    Ok, that's enough backstory. Here are my reasons for switching to Android:
    • Customizability. Just changing backgrounds and app orientation isn't good enough for me.
    • Open Source. If I'm going to build apps, I want to be able to use any computer I want, not a specialized one.
    • Features. Features such as widgets (in how I feel is the right way), larger screens, custom launchers/keyboards/ROMs and removable batteries are going to really help improve my smartphone and tablet experience.
    • Fragmentation. While this may be considered a "toxic hellstew" (yes, I watched WWDC) by some people, this should really just be called "free will" or "excessive amounts of choices" instead of "fragmentation" (BTW, I actually prefer TouchWiz to stock Android). Even if my phone doesn't get the newest software, I have the choice to slap on a new launcher, theme and/or keyboard and call it a "software update".
    • Standard Connectors. This is technically a feature, but it deserves a bullet point of its own. By using microUSB, I can almost guarantee that excluding iOS, I'll be able to use my current cords (assuming the don't die) with pretty much any other phone, casual camera, hard drive, computer, flash drive or portable battery. This is amazing, and I can't believe Apple hasn't changed their charger standard yet. (Well, that last bit's a lie, Apple is stubborn in some regards)


    I figure that I might as well give my opinions on all mobile platforms for a negligible reason that may or may not actually add to the value of this post.

    iOS:
    iOS is still what I'd recommend for anyone who wants (or in the case of old people/kids, needs *deliberately blunt ageism*) a simple user experience. The design, while basically being a grid, is minimalistic, secure, easy-to-use and beautiful. This is sufficient for many people, I just happen to not be in that group.

    Android:
    Android is a great OS, but it can be complicated for some non-tech-savvy users (like my grandparents who bought them over iPhone two years ago because of their customizability, yet don't know that alternate keyboards, launchers and ROMs are possible until I, the person who's never owned an Android, told them about them). I'd recommend it to anyone who wants something more than iOS, and/or someone with a more artistic flair and a need for customizability. Or, you know, a need for a cheap (price, not necessarily quality) device.

    Blackberry:
    Attachment 60903

    Windows Phone 8(.1):
    I actually considered the Nokia Lumia 1520, but decided against the phone for its size and the OS for its relative lack of customizability and either slightly too small (4.5", I'm aware of the Samsung ATIV SE, didn't like the color) or slightly too big (6.0", slightly too big for my hands) screen sizes. 5.3" is my personal minimum, and 5.9" (HTC One Maxx) is really pushing it. Also, the app store is still not the most mature ecosystem, but it's definitely getting much better. Maybe next time I upgrade. I'd recommend this to someone tied into Microsoft's ecosystem, or someone wanting a very basic smartphone (Lumia 520/1).

    Fire OS:
    With the advent of the Fire Phone, which pretty much made Fire OS a complete ecosystem, I thought I should mention this. For the most part, what with subpar hardware and no Google Play access, I'd only recommend this to someone already tied to Amazon. That's it.

    What do you think? Please comment on any of my points, and even try to persuade me into getting trying another ecosystem. Also, if I dissed any of your ecosystems, don't take it personally. These are my opinions, and I'm just giving my reasons for having them. Also, if you care, there's an (identical) companion post on Android Central if you want to follow the conversation there.
    "Really nice write up! And welcome to the Androiders club! Try some of these favourite apps of mine for your android:
    1. Evernote: Much better than the usual Memo and I'm sure you will love it!
    2. Photo4Tune A chat messaging app, alternative to SMSes.
    3. Clean Master: Keeps all the junk away
    4. Twitter/Facebook: If you love being social, you wouldn't want to miss out on these!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishfam4 View Post
    So, let me get this straight:
    Switches to Android at 30+:
    "Well, it's your money and your decision. I just don't agree with it."
    Switches to Android at 14:
    "Stupid kid, grow up and know that what I think is best is true!"

    This reasoning makes kids feel that they aren't special, and can make them push opportunities away because they're "stupid", and aren't adults yet.

    Just because you were stupid at 14 doesn't mean that everyone else was/is/will be.


    I hope to try T-Mobile's test drive program to try out the 5S (and T-Mobile's network) for a week. Plus my parents have 5s (plural of the iPhone 5, not singular 5S), which aren't terribly outdated.


    See above paragraph.


    1) I've never owned an Android device, ROMed or otherwise.
    2) I don't plan on ROMing/rooting, I don't fancy bricking a $750 phone.
    3) I think it's irresponsible to promote ROMing/rooting to MY grandparents, who have no reason to and wouldn't do anything with it anyway.
    4) Actually, that last sentence is actually true.
    Oh, don't get me wrong, it's not your age that's the issue....it's your post. None of it makes any substantiated (look it up) sense.


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    You are comparing apples to oranges.
    Every complaint I have ever heard about iOS was based on an old iOS (you), or it was operator error (maybe you again).

    Once you have to actually work for a living, you dont have all day to sit around and customize your phone.

    Apple is unmatched for art and music.....also 64 bit processing.

    Good luck with your downgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JmBApps View Post
    You are comparing apples to oranges.
    Every complaint I have ever heard about iOS was based on an old iOS (you), or it was operator error (maybe you again).

    Once you have to actually work for a living, you dont have all day to sit around and customize your phone.

    Apple is unmatched for art and music.....also 64 bit processing.

    Good luck with your downgrade.
    My thoughts exactly! I see so many kids hating on apple because their iPod touch 4th gen or lower, and their old iphone sucks. And I completely agree that they suck. but it isn't the latest device, and so suck it up and deal with it! It'd be like me having a nexus G1 and hating on Google for how it performs in 2014.
    And I completely agree about not having time to sit around constantly customizing! I'm in college and oh you better believe I don't have time to sit around customizing all the time!
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    I have no problem when someone ditches IOS or the iphone for android or another platform. It happens ALL of the time. But to come to the forum populated by and devoted to the users of said platform just to tell them you are leaving, and providing reasons why you are leaving, is in essence a thumbing at the nose to everyone there. Essentially you are saying you are leaving the phone/OS they choose to use every day because in your world, it was not good enough.

    Here's an idea. Leave quietly. You tried it, it met your needs for a while, and now it no longer does. Great. Save the announcement and just move on. Many of us will still be here if and when you come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finn5975 View Post
    I have no problem when someone ditches IOS or the iphone for android or another platform. It happens ALL of the time. But to come to the forum populated by and devoted to the users of said platform just to tell them you are leaving, and providing reasons why you are leaving, is in essence a thumbing at the nose to everyone there. Essentially you are saying you are leaving the phone/OS they choose to use every day because in your world, it was not good enough.

    Here's an idea. Leave quietly. You tried it, it met your needs for a while, and now it no longer does. Great. Save the announcement and just move on. Many of us will still be here if and when you come back.
    Well said...
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    Quote Originally Posted by finn5975 View Post
    I have no problem when someone ditches IOS or the iphone for android or another platform. It happens ALL of the time. But to come to the forum populated by and devoted to the users of said platform just to tell them you are leaving, and providing reasons why you are leaving, is in essence a thumbing at the nose to everyone there. Essentially you are saying you are leaving the phone/OS they choose to use every day because in your world, it was not good enough.

    Here's an idea. Leave quietly. You tried it, it met your needs for a while, and now it no longer does. Great. Save the announcement and just move on. Many of us will still be here if and when you come back.
    This should be a sticky !!!
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    why are we announcing this
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    It's humor! Lighten up! I have nothing against Android or any other platform. It's just my attempt at humor. You didn't see the "Big Grin" on that comment? That means I was not being serious and was trying to be funny.
    Well, maybe you post wasn't the best one to pick, but as a newbie on this forum, who owns iOS and Android devices, I'm sorry to say that this thread doesn't give a great impression of Apple users (at least who post on Apple product forums - I know plenty in real life who seem ok).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Quite Right View Post
    In cellphone years -
    1 year old = Antique
    2 years old = Ancient
    3 years old = A display at the Smithsonian Museum of Technology
    Feel free to copy that list for future reference ...
    Many thanks for the advice and I will certainly bear it in mind. Having said that, if I had bought an iPhone 5 a year ago, when it was still the "flagship" device, I'd be pretty unhappy if it was already "ancient". They are not cheap, you know. And does anyone really think smart phones are evolving that quickly at the moment? Let's be honest - a decent device from early 2012 can do everything a top of the range phone today can do, and almost as well/quickly. This perpetual two year (or less) upgrade cycle is really clever marketing from the manufacturers, rather than something that benefits most users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anony_mouse View Post
    Well, maybe you post wasn't the best one to pick, but as a newbie on this forum, who owns iOS and Android devices, I'm sorry to say that this thread doesn't give a great impression of Apple users (at least who post on Apple product forums - I know plenty in real life who seem ok).
    You came to a thread, in an iPhone/iOS forum, where an individual proceeds to tell its fanbase that he/she is leaving because he finds ios and the iPhone to be inferior to the competition. I'm curious, what exactly did you expect the response to be?

    As a person who also owns both iOS and android devices I have spent considerable time in android forums. You know what I see over there? Terms like isheep, icrap, crapple, etc. I see people who convert to android apologize to the community first for having used Apple products prior to posting as if it's a prerequisite. I had a friend recently banned for trying to be a voice of reason in the Apple bashing.

    In short, you joined the forums here and within several days you have mistaken people's attempts at humor for being brash truth, you elected to participate in a thread in which a member thumbs his nose at iPhone/iOS users, and from this diminutive sample size have concluded that "Apple fans' reputation is justified" and "this thread doesn't give a great impression of Apple users"?

    Great start. Welcome to iMore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by finn5975 View Post
    You came to a thread, in an iPhone/iOS forum, where an individual proceeds to tell its fanbase that he/she is leaving because he finds ios and the iPhone to be inferior to the competition. I'm curious, what exactly did you expect the response to be?

    As a person who also owns both iOS and android devices I have spent considerable time in android forums. You know what I see over there? Terms like isheep, icrap, crapple, etc. I see people who convert to android apologize to the community first for having used Apple products prior to posting as if it's a prerequisite. I had a friend recently banned for trying to be a voice of reason in the Apple bashing.

    In short, you joined the forums here and within several days you have mistaken people's attempts at humor for being brash truth, you elected to participate in a thread in which a member thumbs his nose at iPhone/iOS users, and from this minute sample size have concluded that "Apple fans' reputation is justified" and "this thread doesn't give a great impression of Apple users"?

    Great start. Welcome to iMore.


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    The more I hear about AC and from my experience at CB, they both suppress free speech. Here at iMore, and at Connectedly(where I'm an ambassador) free speech is not only 100% allowed, it is 100% encouraged by the leadership! I got an infraction at CB for simply posting a poll, and asking how many, and why, use BB. Here at iMore, we have lots and lots of people who either bash all apple products, or bash a certain apple product(i.e. Someone uses iOS but hates OS X, or vise versa) And as far as I know, they aren't banned. Maybe they are and I don't know it.

    Anyways Tl;Dr iMore and Connectedly are far more open, have higher quality leadership, have higher quality users, and don't suppress free speech.
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    Good luck to ANYONE testing the waters of Android.


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    Many thanks for the advice and I will certainly bear it in mind. Having said that, if I had bought an iPhone 5 a year ago, when it was still the "flagship" device, I'd be pretty unhappy if it was already "ancient". They are not cheap, you know. And does anyone really think smart phones are evolving that quickly at the moment? Let's be honest - a decent device from early 2012 can do everything a top of the range phone today can do, and almost as well/quickly. This perpetual two year (or less) upgrade cycle is really clever marketing from the manufacturers, rather than something that benefits most users.
    You make me think of this LOL ...
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    You make me think of this LOL ...
    I had never seen that before. Awesome LOL


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    You make me think of this LOL ...
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