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    To be honest, i love Apple products very much. Over the years, i've own several iPhones, iPods and iPads. The WWDC 2014 event presentation was amazing. Just that i didn't like the part when they put down Android for having such a low percentage of users running their latest software, KitKat at 9% compared IOS 7, which has an impressive 89% adoption. I mean, why put down your rival this way? What kind of marketing tactic is this? Or are you afraid Android will overtake you someday? I'm dissapointed at Apple for this. \:

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    I'm pretty sure most android fans would admit that as being a flaw. Androids updating system is a complete joke. It took months to get 4.4 on my Note 3 despite it being released months earlier.

    And it's not as if no companies ever took jabs at Apple before.


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    Seems pretty simple to me. They put that out there to show that Android is terrible with updates. I'm an avid user of both Android and iOS, I go back and forth between the two a lot, and Android SUCKS for updates if you have anything other than a Nexus. They just want to show people that may be thinking about getting an Android over an iPhone that they may be stuck on an older version of Android compared to the newest version of iOS.
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    To be honest, i love Apple products very much. Over the years, i've own several iPhones, iPods and iPads. The WWDC 2014 event presentation was amazing. Just that i didn't like the part when they put down Android for having such a low percentage of users running their latest software, KitKat at 9% compared IOS 7, which has an impressive 89% adoption. I mean, why put down your rival this way? What kind of marketing tactic is this? Or are you afraid Android will overtake you someday? I'm dissapointed at Apple for this. \:

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    WWDC. Worldwide Developers Conference. There's a room full of people for whom this conference was meant. Those watching online? Mostly spectators.

    There's a reason you tell developers information like 89% vs 9%. You're helping to solidify the belief that using the latest and greatest programming and APIs offers better opportunity cost on Apple than on Android. Even if Android has 4 times as many phones as Apple on the market, Apple will still have twice the "current generation app development" market share. I know my wording of this isn't the best, but my intent is to impart that the chart featured above has everything to do with developers. Believe me when i say developers care about such numbers.
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    numbers don't lie. get over it.
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    Default Re: I'm a die hard Apple fan, just that..

    Samsung and others have all attacked Apple at some point to bring attention to their own products and services. It's business, and nothing more. To bring attention to something you're trying to promote, not only must you convey a need for it, you must also find a way to diminish your competitors and make your product and service appear as the obvious choice. Business 101...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond Fire View Post
    And it's not as if no companies ever took jabs at Apple before.


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    This happens all the time. It's a competitive market. Companies point out what is best about their product versus their competitors.

    Remember Samsung's next big thing campaign? Though I must say I miss the "I'm a Mac" ads in the Mac vs Windows era. Too funny.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bl00dRunzC0ld View Post
    Seems pretty simple to me. They put that out there to show that Android is terrible with updates. I'm an avid user of both Android and iOS, I go back and forth between the two a lot, and Android SUCKS for updates if you have anything other than a Nexus. They just want to show people that may be thinking about getting an Android over an iPhone that they may be stuck on an older version of Android compared to the newest version of iOS.
    I agree. I use both Apple and Android products and updates on Android are slow and painful to get. Mostly because its a two step process. First the manufacturer has to update each model to the newest version of the OS, then the Carriers have to update, mostly to install their bloatware.

    That's one thing about Apple that I really enjoy, no carrier bloatware. I'll put up with Newstand and passbook to avoid all the carrier crap.

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    wait android its a pain to upgrade? apple announces a software which is still in beta and fanbois go nuts over it? whats the difference? ios8 public release is more than a couple of months away!!!
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    whats the difference?
    Not sure if you meant it this way but comparing iOS "betas" to android updates is funny lol!



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    wait android its a pain to upgrade? apple announces a software which is still in beta and fanbois go nuts over it? whats the difference? ios8 public release is more than a couple of months away!!!
    What I meant was that when Apple releases a new OS, it is available for applicable devices, users don't have to wait for the carriers to test the update. Windows phone works the same way. Android has this issue due to multiple hardware manufacturers, with the exception of the Nexus line which is not dependent on either manufacturers or carriers
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    Because if the competing operating system is still in the single digits with their latest software they're opening themselves up to being exposed. It wasn't a "tactic." It was just a good way to further gain developer confidence.
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    Most Android devices are running Gingerbread. That was released 4 years ago...
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    It's just showing that Apple tries it's best to send updates to devices that can support them.
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    I think it sends a message to the developers that if you update your apps to the new OS, it has a high adoption rate.

    Encourages the Devs to work on their apps do that when iOS 8 goes live in the fall, apps are ready to update immediately.

    That will then encourage users to update to the new OS sooner.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazoo2010 View Post
    I think it sends a message to the developers that if you update your apps to the new OS, it has a high adoption rate.

    Encourages the Devs to work on their apps do that when iOS 8 goes live in the fall, apps are ready to update immediately.

    That will then encourage users to update to the new OS sooner.....
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    To be honest, i love Apple products very much. Over the years, i've own several iPhones, iPods and iPads. The WWDC 2014 event presentation was amazing. Just that i didn't like the part when they put down Android for having such a low percentage of users running their latest software, KitKat at 9% compared IOS 7, which has an impressive 89% adoption. I mean, why put down your rival this way? What kind of marketing tactic is this? Or are you afraid Android will overtake you someday? I'm dissapointed at Apple for this. \:

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    That doesn't bug me as much as their "malware" thing. As, you have to enable third party installs to get like 99.999% of what was shown, I'd even say 100% really. You'd then have to install. There was a huge issue with iOS 4.3.something, and I know it's ancient history by now, but the flaw was what let Jailbreak.Me or whatever the site was Jailbreak iOS devices by simply pointing them to a site, and had minimal user interaction. Basically, there are viruses for both, but they're next to impossible to get by mistake on Android.

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    I'm pretty sure most android fans would admit that as being a flaw. Androids updating system is a complete joke. It took months to get 4.4 on my Note 3 despite it being released months earlier.

    And it's not as if no companies ever took jabs at Apple before.


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    I do think the updating is a flaw, and Apple has the clout to cut through carrier non-sense and just push the updates. Jobs was a genius to deny them the ability to load crappy carrier software on the phones from the start, if Android did that, as well as having things more like the GP Editions, then they could get the updates as seamless as iOS.

    Just my $0.02 though.

    Edit: When I say "Impossible to get by mistake" I mean, impossible to get without first compromising your phone's security by allowing installing from other sources.
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    That doesn't bug me as much as their "malware" thing. As, you have to enable third party installs to get like 99.999% of what was shown, I'd even say 100% really. You'd then have to install. There was a huge issue with iOS 4.3.something, and I know it's ancient history by now, but the flaw was what let Jailbreak.Me or whatever the site was Jailbreak iOS devices by simply pointing them to a site, and had minimal user interaction. Basically, there are viruses for both, but they're next to impossible to get by mistake on Android.



    I do think the updating is a flaw, and Apple has the clout to cut through carrier non-sense and just push the updates. Jobs was a genius to deny them the ability to load crappy carrier software on the phones from the start, if Android did that, as well as having things more like the GP Editions, then they could get the updates as seamless as iOS.

    Just my $0.02 though.

    Edit: When I say "Impossible to get by mistake" I mean, impossible to get without first compromising your phone's security by allowing installing from other sources.
    Jailbreak Me was able to be used because of an issue with PDF rendering on a couple versions of iOS. It was fixed in an iOS update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbob1016 View Post
    That doesn't bug me as much as their "malware" thing. As, you have to enable third party installs to get like 99.999% of what was shown, I'd even say 100% really. You'd then have to install. There was a huge issue with iOS 4.3.something, and I know it's ancient history by now, but the flaw was what let Jailbreak.Me or whatever the site was Jailbreak iOS devices by simply pointing them to a site, and had minimal user interaction. Basically, there are viruses for both, but they're next to impossible to get by mistake on Android.



    I do think the updating is a flaw, and Apple has the clout to cut through carrier non-sense and just push the updates. Jobs was a genius to deny them the ability to load crappy carrier software on the phones from the start, if Android did that, as well as having things more like the GP Editions, then they could get the updates as seamless as iOS.

    Just my $0.02 though.

    Edit: When I say "Impossible to get by mistake" I mean, impossible to get without first compromising your phone's security by allowing installing from other sources.
    As far as the bolded text goes: That is something I cringe over. Now that this is Tim Cook's Apple and we're seeing stuff that we may not have ever seen under Steve Jobs, I really hope carriers aren't able to strong-arm Apple into putting their bloat on iPhones. I didn't like the fact that AT&T was able to get the "4G" logo on the 4S after a .1 update on iOS 5 a couple of years back. The 4G was implicating HSPA+ which was 3G in essence.
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    As far as the bolded text goes: That is something I cringe over. Now that this is Tim Cook's Apple and we're seeing stuff that we may not have ever seen under Steve Jobs, I really hope carriers aren't able to strong-arm Apple into putting their bloat on iPhones. I didn't like the fact that AT&T was able to get the "4G" logo on the 4S after a .1 update on iOS 5 a couple of years back. The 4G was implicating HSPA+ which was 3G in essence.
    They actually started charging more if people wanted to keep the "4G" speeds. It was just a big scam.
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    They actually started charging more if people wanted to keep the "4G" speeds. It was just a big scam.
    Wow! I totally missed that scam. And I have AT&T.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iOS Gravity View Post
    Jailbreak Me was able to be used because of an issue with PDF rendering on a couple versions of iOS. It was fixed in an iOS update.
    Right, my bad, I took it as read that as it was from iOS 4.3.x it would have been waaaaay since fixed. Just that was an "exploit" that admittedly didn't get into the wild as it was fixed quickly, but it did happen, and *could* have been exploited to install things apart from Cydia.

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    Wow! I totally missed that scam. And I have AT&T.


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    Yeah, happened with my "factory unlocked"* iPhone 4S that I had on TMobile. Once they became official "Whoa, I get 4G now?" :-/

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    Most Android devices are running Gingerbread. That was released 4 years ago...
    Agreed!! In 2012 prior to owning an iPhone I had an Evo 3D running gingerbread. Its pretty sad that 2 years later people are still running it and it wasn't even new in 2012.
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    To be honest, i love Apple products very much. Over the years, i've own several iPhones, iPods and iPads. The WWDC 2014 event presentation was amazing. Just that i didn't like the part when they put down Android for having such a low percentage of users running their latest software, KitKat at 9% compared IOS 7, which has an impressive 89% adoption. I mean, why put down your rival this way? What kind of marketing tactic is this? Or are you afraid Android will overtake you someday? I'm dissapointed at Apple for this. \:

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikkisharif View Post
    Agreed!! In 2012 prior to owning an iPhone I had an Evo 3D running gingerbread. Its pretty sad that 2 years later people are still running it and it wasn't even new in 2012.
    But they're not. Most are running Jelly Bean, which is 4.1 to 4.3 combined. Even just looking at 4.1 it's larger than 2.3 by and large. Google is also able to roll out many API changes outside of an OS update as well, these days. It's not as bad of a situation as many forums and, *ahem*, "journalists" would lead you to believe.

    It could absolutely be better but it is far, far better for both users and developers than it has been in the past. This isn't Google's fault, the OEMs don't have Apple's clout when it comes to updates, and they love their death grip. The other fault is the chipset manufacturers dropping support for their boards in order to push new silicon. And then there's just the feasibility of support old hardware (like the iPhone 4 being dropped for iOS 8). There's a lot of FUD and disinformation when it comes to Android updates, just thought I would share as someone fairly in the know.

    Certainly, Apple does it better. Certainly, Google needs to push for longer and better support. Won't deny that, at least.
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