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    The iMore Blog has a short and interesting article with the above title. Having read it, I'm not sure I'm in agreement. I mean, I agree that some will be uncomfortable with the new design but from what I'm gathering here throughout the forums, the dislike is not from unfamiliarity but from the aesthetics. People have mentioned "child-like" design and colors to weird-looking icons. But then again, the people that frequent the forums are mainly techies and not necessarily Apple's core users. What say you? You can read Ren's article via the link below:

    http://tipb.com.feedsportal.com/c/33...ar/story01.htm
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    The 'dislike' I see around here is of unfamiliar aesthetics... and something tells me some of the same people doing the itch-baying about how much change there is would be just as vocal if everything was too much like iOS6... haters gotta hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kch50428 View Post
    The 'dislike' I see around here is of unfamiliar aesthetics... and something tells me some of the same people doing the itch-baying about how much change there is would be just as vocal if everything was too much like iOS6... haters gotta hate.
    Bingo!

    A lot of the "dislike" is being voiced by some who, for years have complained that iOS has become stale, and needs a major redesign/overhaul. So Apple gives it to us, and now its childish, and "My Little Pony-ish". With that said, though, Apple has given us a new, fresher look, and added most of the features that have been requested through the years. Clearly, though, in some cases, familiarity has bred contempt. Therefore, the only option is to bring a new, unfamiliar face to what iOS is.

    There are also a lot of users of other platforms being drawn here to bash Apple in favor of their personal platform of choice and accusing Apple of simply copying feature A, B & C from this OS, and features D, E & F from that one.

    To D's point, if its simply a matter of unfamiliarity, that will change as we become more familiar with the new look and feel. As self-professed techies and junkies, we definitely view this new version of iOS through a much different lens than will the general population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fausty82 View Post
    Bingo!

    A lot of the "dislike" is being voiced by some who, for years have complained that iOS has become stale, and needs a major redesign/overhaul. So Apple gives it to us, and now its childish, and "My Little Pony-ish". With that said, though, Apple has given us a new, fresher look, and added most of the features that have been requested through the years. Clearly, though, in some cases, familiarity has bred contempt. Therefore, the only option is to bring a new, unfamiliar face to what iOS is.

    There are also a lot of users of other platforms being drawn here to bash Apple in favor of their personal platform of choice and accusing Apple of simply copying feature A, B & C from this OS, and features D, E & F from that one.

    To D's point, if its simply a matter of unfamiliarity, that will change as we become more familiar with the new look and feel. As self-professed techies and junkies, we definitely view this new version of iOS through a much different lens than will the general population.
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    I just read a blog that goes along with Rene's post, and fits very well in this discussion... definitely worth a read:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fausty82 View Post
    I just read a blog that goes along with Rene's post, and fits very well in this discussion... definitely worth a read:

    Key takeawy from that article: Familiarity bias and loss aversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kch50428 View Post
    Key takeawy from that article: Familiarity bias and loss aversion.
    I agree, but many of the same people who are now griping were previously & vehemently arguing that Apple needed to do something different. They complained how iOS had not changed since 2007, etcetera. Well, you've read the complaints and know what I'm saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe'D View Post
    I agree, but many of the same people who are now griping were previously & vehemently arguing that Apple needed to do something different. They complained how iOS had not changed since 2007, etcetera. Well, you've read the complaints and know what I'm saying...
    While this is largely true, I think people have a valid complaint with regard to the icons in iOS 7. Flat icons are one thing but ugly flat icons are another thing entirely. It lacks the usual Apple panache and is reminiscent of something from a 70's comic book. I sincerely hope they rethink the direction they've taken there. I kind of like what they did with the WWDC app icon... Light gradient, colourful, no gloss... Just gorgeous, instead of the overly bright remix of pastel and fluorescence in the iOS 7 system apps.

    The other aspects of iOS 7 are brilliant and well thought out though and worth the update alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelo_Campher View Post
    While this is largely true, I think people have a valid complaint with regard to the icons in iOS 7.
    I don't have a problem with that because it is a given that some people will like them and some won't.
    Flat icons are one thing but ugly flat icons are another thing entirely.
    That is subjective. You cannot assume that we all consider the icons ugly because all of us do not.
    It lacks the usual Apple panache and is reminiscent of something from a 70's comic book.
    That description is from "your" perspective. From "my" perspective, the flat icons are refreshing, simple and a welcome addition to the Apple iOS. See the contrast?
    I sincerely hope they rethink the direction they've taken there.
    Why? An argument can be made that Apple was pushed/forced/pressured into going in the direction they've taken.
    I kind of like what they did with the WWDC app icon... Light gradient, colourful, no gloss... Just gorgeous, instead of the overly bright remix of pastel and fluorescence in the iOS 7 system apps.
    No problem

    The other aspects of iOS 7 are brilliant and well thought out though and worth the update alone.
    I can't wait for it to be released to the general public this fall and am eagerly awaiting the chance to install it when it's finished. Anyway, great post. Take care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe'D View Post
    I don't have a problem with that because it is a given that some people will like them and some won't. That is subjective. You cannot assume that we all consider the icons ugly because all of us do not. That description is from "your" perspective. From "my" perspective, the flat icons are refreshing, simple and a welcome addition to the Apple iOS. See the contrast? Why? An argument can be made that Apple was pushed/forced/pressured into going in the direction they've taken. No problem


    I can't wait for it to be released to the general public this fall and am eagerly awaiting the chance to install it when it's finished. Anyway, great post. Take care.
    All good D.

    Although it is my personal opinion that the icons look terrible I just can't see the vast majority being happy with them as they are. I think the mere fact that they're so much of a talking point already speaks volumes.
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    All good D.

    Although it is my personal opinion that the icons look terrible I just can't see the vast majority being happy with them as they are. I think the mere fact that they're so much of a talking point already speaks volumes.
    You could very well be right in regard to the vast majority, but there is no way to tell right now. As for the talking points, that is expected. I'm sure the tech bloggers and general tech media will milk news in regard to iOS 7 as long as they can, and what better way to do that than by hyping the new OS and then writing reports to contrast it. I still believe the overall general public still have not really paid close enough attention to what it looks like or even care. When Apple officially introduces the next iPhone and we start seeing commercials about it and iOS 7, that is when we'll get a true gauge, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe'D View Post
    You could very well be right in regard to the vast majority, but there is no way to tell right now. As for the talking points, that is expected. I'm sure the tech bloggers and general tech media will milk news in regard to iOS 7 as long as they can and what better way to do that by hyping the new OS and then writing reports to contrast it. I still believe the overall general public still have not really paid close enough attention to what it looks like or even care. When Apple officially introduces the next iPhone and we start seeing commercials about it and iOS 7, that is when we'll get a true gauge, in my opinion.
    Fair enough.

    Honestly, though, the icons shouldn't deter from what is a massive leap in iOS 7.
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    My first reaction to the UI was with a raised eyebrow but honestly who sits and stares at their icons long enough to even care? More than likely someone who is looking for something to be wrong, just like they do in other areas of their life

    At the end of the day battery performance and stability are my main concern and it looks like we're heading that direction..
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    I'm so glad we have a select few here who can tell us why we like or dislike iOS 7.

    That being said, all are entitled to their opinions, and yes, whether you like or dislike the new aesthetics of iOS 7 is highly subjective. However, neither side is right or wrong. If iOS 7 does or doesn't look good to you, it doesn't mean you are a fanboy or a hater.

    Personally, I do like the overall look and feel of iOS 7, but I also think some of the icons could use some work. Since the OS is still in beta and things could still change, I'll reserve final judgement until its officially released.
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    The past few articles seem like they are trying to defend apple because they have changed just to change. I like what they are doing with IOS7 but I can see why many dislike it and how it appears in many cases to be haphazardly put together quickly( and yes I know it is only beta 1 and will be better come launch)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Premium1 View Post
    The past few articles seem like they are trying to defend apple because they have changed just to change. I like what they are doing with IOS7 but I can see why many dislike it and how it appears in many cases to be haphazardly put together quickly( and yes I know it is only beta 1 and will be better come launch)
    I agree. I like most changes as long as they don't take away functionality or my ability to do what I was used to doing before. Unless I missed something, there does not seem to be a reduction in function/capability. While I would like to see some other options brought to us, the added features already listed are enough to make me look forward to iOS 7.
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    I welcome change and new things, what I don't welcome is when that change is for the worse, and it's **** ugly. But thanks for the armchair psychology..
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbeard View Post
    I welcome change and new things, what I don't welcome is when that change is for the worse, and it's **** ugly. But thanks for the armchair psychology..
    You've made you point... you dislike iOS7... what are you going to do about it? Continue to make your point ad nauseum? Beyond??
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    Quote Originally Posted by kch50428 View Post
    You've made you point... you dislike iOS7... what are you going to do about it? Continue to make your point ad nauseum? Beyond??
    Yes, we are discussing iOS 7 here..

    The people who like it are constantly gushing about it, what are they going to do? Continue to make their points ad nauseum?

    Goes both ways..
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    Well, I love the whole look to include the icons. The next phone is one that is MINE and that I won't skip at all. The new UI, to include the new icons, is gorgeous and I CANNOT wait.

    Really, I am counting days and saving money. I want my next iPhone unlocked, so it will be 749 outright.

    I suppose I'll gush ad nauseum all summer as to how much I like it and how much I want it.
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    I feel that ppl just need to learn to accept what changes are happening and I am not just talking about just iOS I mean every phone and software in general like when nothing is changing ppl complain that oh it's not like this phone or it don't have this or this but then when changes are made and upgraded and ppl are not familiar with it then ppl still complain about it like come on I know ios7 is making alot of changes and I am not use to it yet I have the beta tested version for a few days now and still kinda getting use to it but it's not gonna be something to hate if you don't like it don't upgrade If I don't like iPhone of Samsung of whatever don't get it spend money on something u know u will enjoy
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    I feel that ppl just need to learn to accept what changes are happening and I am not just talking about just iOS I mean every phone and software in general like when nothing is changing ppl complain that oh it's not like this phone or it don't have this or this but then when changes are made and upgraded and ppl are not familiar with it then ppl still complain about it like come on I know ios7 is making alot of changes and I am not use to it yet I have the beta tested version for a few days now and still kinda getting use to it but it's not gonna be something to hate if you don't like it don't upgrade If I don't like iPhone of Samsung of whatever don't get it spend money on something u know u will enjoy
    Problem is that once you have a issue with your phone and need to restore, you are forced to upgrade by Apple, and many apps will be updated to only work on the latest software.

    iOS 7 literally has no design elements, it's just a bunch of white backgrounds with super thin, hard to read font. This guy on Macrumors hit the nail on the head, and expressed my thoughts far better than I could what myself and many others are feeling about this whole thing.



    "I love the page turn animation in iBooks. I love the shredding animation in Passbook app. I love the page curl in Maps. I love the shiny buttons. Skeuomorphism is fun. Everything I love about iPhone is going away.

    The idea that skeuomorphism won't stand the test of time is absurd. Things on the screen have to look like something. Things that are hard to imagine as a physical entity are hard to relate to and are hard to figure out. It can look like something from the past (reel to reel in the old Podcasts app), something from the future (Time Machine on OS X) or even something imaginary. The alternative to physical is abstract. It is hard for ordinary everyday people to figure out abstract interfaces.

    This is the beginning of the decline of Apple. The question of can Apple still be Apple without Steve Jobs has been answered. And the answer, sadly, is a resounding No.

    The parallax feature of iOS 7 is cool. And so is the rain and snow in the weather app that looks like real rain and snow. But this is realism. They removed the old realism such as leather and torn pages and then added it back in spades in the weather app. No restraint whatsoever. Apple designers have lost their way without Steve Jobs.

    It is skeuomorphism that made the iPhone a darling of consumers around the world. Skeuomorphism frees technology from the shackles of inscrutable "computer interfaces" and makes it accessible to ordinary everyday users.

    The iPad calendar for example, is something that you can show to people who have never seen an iPad before, and they don't see a computer interface. They see a calendar. The instant recognition triggered by skeuomorphism causes the interface to disappear.

    The human brain likes both the comfort/pleasure of tactile feedback and the predictability of behaviors implied by familiar appearances (affordance and metaphor). Steve Jobs leveraged these brain responses to the approval of Apple's customers. Steve Jobs understood more than anyone else how to make technology accessible to ordinary everyday users."

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    Using iOS 6 on my iPad and using iOS 7 on my iPhone shows me instantly the difference. Using iOS 6 has started to feel so weird, old, wrong. I can't fully describe it, it's just a feeling I get when using both. What a lot of people don't understand about iOS 7 is that there are a lot of great changes and addition of new features that make things so much easier. However there are also a lot of things that have been refined to make things easier, quicker to do and more beneficial to the user. An example is the camera shorcut in the Control Center. Lots of people will say what's the point of that there is a shortcut on the lock screen. Well here's the thing lets say you're walking around and a great picture opportunity springs up. Your phone is unlocked now how do you find your camera app in time for the shot. Maybe you're lucky enough that your camera app is on the first home screen but what if you're not? What if it's on another home screen, in a folder. The time it takes you to figure that out the shot could be gone. Well now you don't need to figure that out just pull up the CC and boom camera is right there. The same with pano, before it was a tap in options, a tap for pano it was more work. Now you just slide the camera to the right it's a simple quick gesture that enables you to get it done faster and easier.

    Sure I personally find some of the icons ugly and while I don't think the icons are one of the things that will change by the final release who knows it just might. I also don't find all of them ugly, I love the gamecenter and photos icons. Which highlights that it is just personal opinion and I also don't think people will stay away from iOS 7 just because of the icons. I look at iOS 7 like the iPhone 4, when it was leaked no one thought it was real it looked blocky and square nothing like the previous models. I was one of the people who said if this rumor is true I wont be buying the iPhone 4. Then by the time it debuted the shape and design had grown on me and I loved it! It wasn't that the design was ugly it was just different prompting that initial knee jerk reaction. I think iOS 7 will be a huge hit when it is released I already have a ton of friends asking me how they can load the beta. They aren't devs and even though I tell them it has bugs they just don't care, they are so excited. Now consider that by the time it's released the bugs will be gone, some things will change for the better and devs will be updating apps to take advantage of the new features and look. I think for a short while people will experience the same knee jerk reaction but when things just work and they discover how much better it is all that will go out the window.
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    Using iOS 6 on my iPad and using iOS 7 on my iPhone shows me instantly the difference. Using iOS 6 has started to feel so weird, old, wrong. I can't fully describe it, it's just a feeling I get when using both. What a lot of people don't understand about iOS 7 is that there are a lot of great changes and addition of new features that make things so much easier. However there are also a lot of things that have been refined to make things easier, quicker to do and more beneficial to the user. An example is the camera shorcut in the Control Center. Lots of people will say what's the point of that there is a shortcut on the lock screen. Well here's the thing lets say you're walking around and a great picture opportunity springs up. Your phone is unlocked now how do you find your camera app in time for the shot. Maybe you're lucky enough that your camera app is on the first home screen but what if you're not? What if it's on another home screen, in a folder. The time it takes you to figure that out the shot could be gone. Well now you don't need to figure that out just pull up the CC and boom camera is right there. The same with pano, before it was a tap in options, a tap for pano it was more work. Now you just slide the camera to the right it's a simple quick gesture that enables you to get it done faster and easier.

    Sure I personally find some of the icons ugly and while I don't think the icons are one of the things that will change by the final release who knows it just might. I also don't find all of them ugly, I love the gamecenter and photos icons. Which highlights that it is just personal opinion and I also don't think people will stay away from iOS 7 just because of the icons. I look at iOS 7 like the iPhone 4, when it was leaked no one thought it was real it looked blocky and square nothing like the previous models. I was one of the people who said if this rumor is true I wont be buying the iPhone 4. Then by the time it debuted the shape and design had grown on me and I loved it! It wasn't that the design was ugly it was just different prompting that initial knee jerk reaction. I think iOS 7 will be a huge hit when it is released I already have a ton of friends asking me how they can load the beta. They aren't devs and even though I tell them it has bugs they just don't care, they are so excited. Now consider that by the time it's released the bugs will be gone, some things will change for the better and devs will be updating apps to take advantage of the new features and look. I think for a short while people will experience the same knee jerk reaction but when things just work and they discover how much better it is all that will go out the window.
    It's not just the icons, it's the whole OS that is one big cluster****, I'm sorry, but the fanboys can't explain this one for Apple, this pre-school non-design is just bad, nothing wrong with admitting that, it's the truth. The folder icons are horrid, the signal dots are horrid, the dialer is horrid, the plain and confusing whitewashed background in everything now is fugly, non-user friendly, and will NOT work better if not changed come GM.

    iOS was "PERFECT" according to most people here just two weeks ago, now it was old, stale, and needed a complete change, funny how minds change so fast..

    And btw, I loved the look of the iPhone 4 when we got the spy shots, a vocal minority hated, not "everyone". The iPhone 4 was also a beautiful, classy, elegant design, can't say the same for iOS 7.
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    It's not just the icons, it's the whole OS that is one big cluster****, I'm sorry, but the fanboys can't explain this one for Apple, this pre-school non-design is just bad, nothing wrong with admitting that, it's the truth. The folder icons are horrid, the signal dots are horrid, the dialer is horrid, the plain and confusing whitewashed background in everything now is fugly, non-user friendly, and will NOT work better if not changed come GM.

    iOS was "PERFECT" according to most people here just two weeks ago, now it was old, stale, and needed a complete change, funny how minds change so fast..

    And btw, I loved the look of the iPhone 4 when we got the spy shots, a vocal minority hated, not "everyone". The iPhone 4 was also a beautiful, classy, elegant design, can't say the same for iOS 7.
    No one said that iOS (6) was perfect. No software is. Neither is iOS 7... but it’s also not "horrid"... it is a work in progress. Many reports state that the iOS that we now have was "cobbled together" in time for WWDC. This could very well be born out by the missing iPad version - that there was simply not time to get a working version together in time for the big reveal.

    The fact that we are due for an updated beta soon, we may see some progress... but that’s not to say that what we have in our hands today (or more correctly, on our phones) is "throwaway", nor is it "pre-school non-design". It’s not "fugly, non-user friendly" software. It’s THE FIRST beta release of a redesigned iOS.

    It’s fine to be disappointed or in whatever conniption that you are currently in, but give it time. Surely you see something positive in what Apple has given us, especially given the fact that this is a very early version of what could well be a tremendous new chapter in the iPhone life cycle.
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