- 06-16-2012, 08:55 AM #101
1) Where on Apple's site does it state they have removed transit maps, which you claimed.
2) Stating "...it's not more important than transit" should be finished with " for me". I resepct that you may need transit maps, but I could care less. So it's hardly more important than driving directions, for me. Everyone has their own needs and wants, based on their personal comforts, device application, etc... Please do not assume everyone thinks the same as you.
3) This is a developer preview release. How else do you expect ANY company to get developers to have their existing apps ready or develop new apps, for the final release. This "it's beta" complaint is just ignorant and you obviously have no concept of software or hardware (or ANY) development cycles and the amount of work that goes into it.
4) Apple has publicly announced over 100 million businesses and location on their mapping program when it's released this fall.
Google has 80 million.
5) Feel free to visit Apple - Feedback and let THEM know how you feel about "missing" features of unreleased software. Posting rants and complaints here will not help your case at all and only annoys the other members.
- 06-16-2012, 09:07 AM #102
Careful with Facebook Integration
Just remember...Don't ever, EVER, allow Facebook access to your contacts in the app (today) or iOS6. FB renames your contacts to what their Facebook names are and removes information that isn't in their FB profile. Make sure you have a backup.
- 06-16-2012, 09:14 AM #103
- 06-16-2012, 09:15 AM #104
I'm confident Apple will flesh out the app over time.
The one thing that concerned me and had nothing to do with something being in beta is this:
Apple's view, elaborated on by SVP of iOS, Scott Forstall during the Keynote, is that developers have done such a tremendous job with public transit directions that Apple would rather hand off to them and not reinvent the data wheel.
That was Palm's attitude. While it sounds good in theory, it didn't work very well. Remember Palm's music app? Or any other half baked core app in webOS? The popular response was to go install a third party app. Why should Palm waste time reinventing things when the 3rd party stuff was superior?
Why indeed. Because it's the OS. It's what get's reviewed by the techies and viewed by the mainstream. Apple will be judged by what's on their homescreen.
Remember the target audience. It's mainstream stupid. People will not WANT to (or be aware of) install 3rd party apps to take the place of every barebones app you can't remove from Apple.
Not to mention these Apple maps are baked in the OS. Ask Siri something? You'll get these maps. Tap on anything in a different app to bring up a map, it'll be these new maps most likely.
Anyways, just wanted to put that out there. While it's still way too early to get that concerned about missing Maps features, the responses of just download a 3rd party app sound way too familiar. To hear an Apple VP want to pass the buck to devs is concerning.
- 06-16-2012, 09:54 AM #105
Turn-by-Turn direction >>>>>>>>>> a stale doughnut >>>>>>>>> Public Transportation.
Like I said in another post: what works for me, may not work for someone else. The inverse is also true. What works for you might not work for someone else. I'd be interested to see how many people actually use a public transportation feature. I can't imagine Apple cutting that out if it was heavily used.
From a business standpoint, Apple SHOULD be using their own Maps application. iOS's biggest competitor is Android. Why on earth would Apple want to continue to support the competition?! This was not a "move in haste," if anything, it was a well calculate business decision.
Last edited by iLive an iLife; 06-16-2012 at 09:56 AM.
- 06-16-2012, 09:57 AM #106
- 06-16-2012, 10:20 AM #107
You can see my post here regarding my experience.s
You guys are so far gone. You don't live in the city or anything, you don't take subways, trains or anything like that you always have cars at all times?
[Pause] ... I know that Apple Maps is a first generation product, .... OK?
Doesn't anyone see the logic in Apple deploying their own mapping system AFTER they have a actual mapping system, with all of the selling points being better than what's currently out there? Or is that just me?
Is there something wrong with that? It seems logical to me.
Unfortunately, I don't care that it's first generation. If I installed iOS6, I would try to delete Apple Maps and replace it with Google Maps, or another one, whichever one is better.
And Apple maps, I don't care if it's new, it has to be better.
- 06-16-2012, 10:35 AM #109
In the meantime, find your self a map tool that works for you and ignore Apple's offering until, in your opinion, it's a competitive product.
- 06-16-2012, 10:41 AM #110
Google Maps might be better at this point, but there is a war going on in the smartphone arena if you haven't noticed. And so what if Apple doesn't want the competitions software as a main component of the phone, this is logic... business logic. iOS is not an open platform (neither is Android, but I digress). They have, and I think it was a smart move to prepare their own mapping system. Now lets see what happens.
We understand that you must have a problem finding you way out of the basement without Google maps, but most of us, and sounds like a good majority, are ok with this change.
If you said you were crippled and it had an wheelchair route, fine, this might make sense if Google had a wheelchair route. But you cant look at a map, plot a point, and figure out how to get there. Regardless, if you need bus/train times there are other means.
And from a Development standpoint, writing an application is a living animal, it grows and it matures. I guess you don't remember iPhone 1.0. Compared to iOS 6, it sucked big time, and lacked basic basic features for a smartphone.
- 06-16-2012, 10:49 AM #111
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- 06-16-2012, 10:55 AM #113
There is only one answer to this Transit Dilemma. And I firmly believe in Jailbreaking.
- 06-16-2012, 11:45 AM #115
Waiting on Apple to flesh out some insignificant minor features that few care about in a Maps app looks preferable to me.
- 06-16-2012, 12:08 PM #116
I have lived near NYC for more than fifty years. For the first twenty, I relied upon taxis for navigation. Any New Yorker can tell you that that no longer works. The New York taxi drivers no longer know where anything is. If one does not know the intersection, forget it.
About thirty years ago, I began to use the subways but always with some difficulty. Until iMaps, I never used the buses. One day, when planning a trip from my club to the apartment of my best friend, I pressed the "wrong" button and discovered that there was a bus from door to door. The last time I was in London, iMap did not know the Tube but did know the buses.
Most transit riders are commuters who know only the route from home to work and back. iMap made it accessible to the rest of us. Wonderful.
As to walking. I am not very good at using iMap for walking. I get disoriented.
All that said, I no longer rely on iMap for transit. I now use HopStop. It knows more about NYC and is easier to use. Its limitation is that, so far, it only knows about the 21 biggest cities in the US. In London I use "Underground." I do not fear iOS6 because I have apps.
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Well, I can get around today. Anywhere. Any time. And if someone asks me where Sams Club is, I can direct them to it in 10 seconds flat. Provided several routes. I have the lay of the land. And public services to get them there the fastest way possible.
Next year is going to be a different story.
Last edited by motoleo; 06-16-2012 at 12:14 PM.
- 06-16-2012, 12:22 PM #118
- 06-16-2012, 12:58 PM #119
Just because Apple is making their mapping solution the default, doesn't mean you won't be able to use goog maps if that's what you prefer.
Google will definitely submit a maps app to the AppStore to satisfy people who feel as you do, because if they lose your eyeballs, they lose money.
Apple will have to approve it, or leave themselves open to charges of anti competitive behavior.
You will have a choice.
P.S. I'm not even half way through this thread yet, so hopefully I haven't repeated something that's been said already.
- 06-16-2012, 01:27 PM #120
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- 06-16-2012, 04:35 PM #123
I see some hostile reactions and name calling which I find disappointing.
I am legally blind. I can't drive. I can't see street signs. I can however watch the blue dot on google maps and see it coming near my stop, and know to pull the string telling the bus to stop.
and third party maps isn't nearly as slick because its not integrated like apples maps is.
1. its not a crime to express disappointment in something apple does, nor does it make you an apple hating android fanboy
2. I find it very egocentric of people to dismiss transit as trivial just because they don't use it. for people like me it is vital, especially when I'm navigating unfamiliar areas.
3. telling me to suck it up butter cup, no I won't. If I'm gonna drop 200 or more on a phone it better do what I need. I don't owe apple a damn thing.
I'm gonna wait to see how this all plays out but there's a real possibility of me switching platforms over this. I'll just have to wait and see how much of a hassle this will be vs what hassle switching would cause. I'm gonna wait till the fall, after iPhone 5 is announced and then make my final decision.
- 06-16-2012, 04:48 PM #124
- 06-16-2012, 07:41 PM #125