1. pappy53's Avatar
    Not sure why people are complaining about viruses. I haven't had a virus on my PC in about 10 years. SSDs enable near-instant boot times for all OS's, doesn't matter if it's Windows or OSX. If you don't want apps running during startup, just disable them, it's not hard.

    I would be the minority in this thread, since I have a PC I built myself. I love it though, because every part I picked out myself, from the case to the PSU. I can upgrade anything at anytime I want - later this year when Broadwell comes out, if I want a PC with a faster CPU I can just buy a Broadwell CPU and plop it in - no need to buy an entire new computer for increased speeds. I can use old parts anytime I want - I have a 500 GB HDD from 2007 that I'm still using and its sole function is to store my Steam games. If something breaks, I don't have to send in the entire computer for a repair - I can just RMA the broken part to the manufacturer and get a new part for free.

    And of course the best part about my PC is, it was dirt cheap to build! Performance per price, compared to anything any OEM has to offer, my PC would blow it away. Not only do I get to customize my PC in any way I want, I save money in the process too.

    It's great to be a geek lol.
    So, since you haven't had a virus in ten years, then people shouldn't complain? /smh



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  2. kellyjdrummer's Avatar
    In 12 years with Windows, I had never had a virus, although the constant updates and BSODs were more than annoying. 2 1/2 years with Mac has been bliss. I could write a huge story about my issues with Windows and the various machines I've owned but I don't see the need.

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    01-03-2015 08:04 AM
  3. Geodude074's Avatar
    So, since you haven't had a virus in ten years, then people shouldn't complain? /smh



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    Did I say that? Antivirus software has come a long way in the past 10 years, and a little common sense goes a long way. I guess the best protection against malware would be user experience, so the main reason why I haven't had a virus in 10 years is because I know how to avoid them by now.
    01-03-2015 09:16 AM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    They need little maintenance, no drivers, easy to use, and they look great....
    01-03-2015 09:25 AM
  5. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    They need little maintenance, no drivers, easy to use, and they look great....
    My Windows Notebook is Aluminum casing, and looks very nice. Though it can get very cold in the winter, so it's not a complete advantage.

    However it costs almost half the price of a 13" MBA even though its specs (outside of screen resolution) are more in line with a 15" MBP Retina (and the GPU certainly is better than the Iris or Iris Pro graphics Apple is using). <$50 upgraded the RAM from 4 to 8GB.

    Drivers aren't an issue. Those come through Windows Update or the Control Panel Software is sort of "install once, and it will keep itself up to date" (like AMD CCC, which keeps all the Chipset and Graphics drivers + more up to date from one place).

    I did have some equipment for gaming (like a Nostormo) that I bought back in 2006, but the BETA Windows Vista Driver functions flawlessly in Windows 8.1. It's useless on a Mac because that OS isn't as good for compatibility as Windows, and therefore I have no driver for it!

    I don't see how OSX is any easier to use than Windows. I have both the Windows Notebook and the MBA 13". The learning curve on both are equivalent and it depends largely on the user (and more specifically, what they are used to - which is why a lot of people cried about Windows 8 when it was released).

    The Windows Machine gets 7 hours battery life off the charger easily. That's on par with the base MBP model. But it has twice the RAM, twice the HDD space, a way better GPU, and much better connectivity options for like... almost half the price. I could put an SSD in it for like $100 if I wanted, and it would likely perform like a $1300 MBP Retina. I may do that soon, I just have been trying to avoid having to clone drives and crap like that, Lol. Maybe have the Geek Squad do it for me, since I'm lazy.

    I also find that while Macs are great for productivity, especially when paired with iDevices due to the great-quality bundled software and how it works across devices... Software options are way superior on Windows. There is a lot of money to be saved by using Windows as a Consumer/Prosumer in Media Editing apps, and there are some professional-class Video Analysis apps that aren't available for Mac (in fact, hardly any are available for OSX).

    Love the MBA I have, but for real work I'm always on the Windows Machine. It has 20x the Software Options, gives you the capability to save hundreds or even thousands of dollars there... And you can get much cheaper machines that perform on par with or better than Macs that cost 3-4x as much.

    Security isn't an issue. We've heard more scares about OSX in the past year or two than we have about Windows 8 or 8.1, and certainly more about Mobile devices (and they weren't Windows Phones). Windows has AV/AMW/FW built into the OS and it updates daily (literally) through Windows Update.

    The Start Screen can and is an issue for some people. I don't use any Start Screen apps outside of PIM. I use Desktop Software. Windows 10 will bring the Menu Back but, I can understand some people's exasperation with the Start Screen. There is really no way to truly avoid it at this point, short of putting shortcuts to all of the apps you use on the Desktop (and who does that these days?!), Lol.
    01-03-2015 12:31 PM
  6. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    My Windows Notebook is Aluminum casting, and looks very nice.

    But it costs almost half the price of a 13" MBA even though its specs (outside of screen resolution) are more in line with a 15" MBP Retina (and the GPU certainly is better than the Iris or Iris Pro graphics Apple is using).

    Drivers aren't an issue. Those come through Windows Update or the Control Panel Software is sort of "install once, and it will keep itself up to date" (like AMD CCC, which keeps all the Chipset and Graphics drivers + more up to date from one place).

    I did have some equipment for gaming (like a Nostormo) that I bought back in 2006, but the BETA Windows Vista Driver functions flawlessly in Windows 8.1. It's useless on a Mac because that OS isn't as good for compatibility as Windows, and therefore I have no driver for it!

    I don't see how OSX is any easier to use than Windows. I have both the Windows Notebook and the MBA 13". The learning curve on both are equivalent and it depends largely on the user (and more specifically, what they are used to - which is why a lot of people cried about Windows 8 when it was released).

    The Windows Machine gets 7 hours battery life off the charger easily. That's on par with the base MBP model. But it has twice the RAM, twice the HDD space, a way better GPU, and much better connectivity options for like... almost half the price. I could put an SSD in it for like $100 if I wanted, and it would likely perform like a $1300 MBP Retina.

    I also find that while Macs are great for productivity, especially when paired with iDevices due to the great-quality bundled software and how it works across devices... Software options are way superior on Windows. There is a lot of money to be saved by using Windows as a Consumer/Prosumer in Media Editing apps, and there are some professional-class Video Analysis apps that aren't available for Mac (in fact, hardly any are available for OSX).

    Love the MBA I have, but for real work I'm always on the Windows Machine. It has 20x the Software Options, gives you the capability to save hundreds or even thousands of dollars there... And you can get much cheaper machines that perform on par with or better than Macs that cost 3-4x as much.

    Security isn't an issue. We've heard more scares about OSX in the past year or two than we have about Windows 8 or 8.1, and certainly more about Mobile devices (and they weren't Windows Phones). Windows has AV/AMW/FW built into the OS and it updates daily (literally) through Windows Update.

    The Start Screen can and is an issue for some people. I don't use any Start Screen apps outside of PIM. I use Desktop Software. Windows 10 will bring the Menu Back but, I can understand some people's exasperation with the Start Screen. There is really no way to truly avoid it at this point, short of putting shortcuts to all of the apps you use on the Desktop (and who does that these days?!), Lol.
    Okay. Great. I didn't mean for my initial reply to trigger a _____ vs Mac debate. I simply answered the thread topic's question. I'm wise enough to understand that my views/rationale will not be shared by everyone, and that's fine with me. I prefer Macs, you prefer Windows. Cool!...
    01-03-2015 12:37 PM
  7. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Okay. Great. I didn't mean for my initial reply to trigger a _____ vs Mac debate. I simply answered the thread topic's question. I'm wise enough to understand that my views/rationale will not be shared by everyone, and that's fine with me. I prefer Macs, you prefer Windows. Cool!...
    I have both a MBA and a Windows notebook.
    I was pretty clear about that so I'm not sure why you think it's about what I prefer. I wouldn't spend $1,000 on a Mac if I preferred Windows. I'd have just bought an even better Windows Notebook.

    I'm platform agnostic. What I do prefer is to be productive and to get the most value for my money. You can't do decent video analysis or editing on a middling Ultrabook.

    What I stated was that Windows is a better productivity platform than the Mac, especially for consumers and Prosumers due to its depth of software options and the amount of cash you can save without sacrificing performance.

    You don't have to have a preference to conclude that.

    I'm just discussing the merits of both. It doesn't become a battle until people start telling others what they prefer, as if they think for them

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    01-03-2015 12:42 PM
  8. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    -- snipped --

    I'm just discussing the merits of both. It doesn't become a battle until people start telling others what they prefer, as if they think for them
    "Windows is a better productivity platform than the Mac, especially for consumers and Prosumers due to its depth of software options and the amount of cash you can save without sacrificing performance."
    You mean like that?.......Don't mind me. I'm just messing with you, and I do understand what you're saying. Have a great weekend.
    01-03-2015 01:20 PM
  9. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    You mean like that?.......Don't mind me. I'm just messing with you, and I do understand what you're saying. Have a great weekend.
    No offense taken. I have thick skin Have a great day.


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  10. nikkisharif's Avatar
    Build quality and the seamless integration with my iDevices
    01-03-2015 01:25 PM
  11. iEd's Avatar
    Macs have dominated the music industry for years. This is why Apple has a Grammy. Traditionally Macs have been easier for musicians to use not having to worry about DOS errors years ago.
    Macs were what you made music on which is why I went to Mac over 20 years ago.
    Most people would be amazed at how many of their favorite songs are recorded, mixed and mastered on a Mac and have been for years.
    Whenever you hear a song on Pandora and said "Mac" you would probably be correct 9 out 10 times.
    When it comes to producing music and film price isn't a concern for a professional. Ease of use a familiarity is.
    PC's are being used in professional audio applications but I believe Macs still very much dominate.
    I would much rather spend 3K or more on a Mac Pro than 1K on a PC for my use. I could basically take a Mac Pro and plug it in to the wall and keep working. I couldn't do that with a PC.



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  12. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Macs have dominated the music industry for years. This is why Apple has a Grammy. Traditionally Macs have been easier for musicians to use not having to worry about DOS errors years ago.
    Macs were what you made music on which is why I went to Mac over 20 years ago.
    Most people would be amazed at how many of their favorite songs are recorded, mixed and mastered on a Mac and have been for years.
    Whenever you hear a song on Pandora and said "Mac" you would probably be correct 9 out 10 times.
    When it comes to producing music and film price isn't a concern for a professional. Ease of use a familiarity is.
    PC's are being used in professional audio applications but I believe Macs still very much dominate.
    I would much rather spend 3K or more on a Mac Pro than 1K on a PC for my use. I could basically take a Mac Pro and plug it in to the wall and keep working. I couldn't do that with a PC.



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    If you seriously think they use $1,000 PCs and not $3,000 workstations to do it (just as well) on Windows, then I guess I can see where you're coming from. Otherwise, it's lost upon me.

    The price difference between PC and Mac in the WORKSTATION Market (with similar specs on each machine) is much less than the difference between the two in the DESKTOP PC market because that market segment simply isn't as price sensitive as the consumer market.

    Mac Pros are Workstation-Class machines, not General Purpose Desktop PCs. Compare an iMac to the $1,000 Windows PC, not a Mac Pro. Comparing a Mac Pro to that makes no sense. Such a cheap PC won't even be able to run Pro Apps well with any decently-sized projects.

    Also, yes, you can do that with a PC. Windows runs many of the same Pro Apps as OSX with virtually the same feature set and performance assuming similar machine specifications. Plug it in and keep working, just don't try to do what is meant for a workstation on an underpowered desktop.
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  13. kellyjdrummer's Avatar
    How does one delete one's own posts from this thread? I want out of this coming p!ssi!ng contest. Too much testosterone for me.
    01-04-2015 06:58 PM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    How does one delete one's own posts from this thread? I want out of this coming p!ssi!ng contest. Too much testosterone for me.
    This thread's okay, but if things get out of hand, we know how to clean it up.
    01-04-2015 07:09 PM
  15. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Macs have dominated the music industry for years. This is why Apple has a Grammy. Traditionally Macs have been easier for musicians to use not having to worry about DOS errors years ago.
    Macs were what you made music on which is why I went to Mac over 20 years ago.
    Most people would be amazed at how many of their favorite songs are recorded, mixed and mastered on a Mac and have been for years.
    Whenever you hear a song on Pandora and said "Mac" you would probably be correct 9 out 10 times.
    When it comes to producing music and film price isn't a concern for a professional. Ease of use a familiarity is.
    PC's are being used in professional audio applications but I believe Macs still very much dominate.
    I would much rather spend 3K or more on a Mac Pro than 1K on a PC for my use. I could basically take a Mac Pro and plug it in to the wall and keep working. I couldn't do that with a PC.



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    Same as the video editing and photography industry, and most of the software industry.


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    01-04-2015 07:15 PM
  16. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    If you seriously think they use $1,000 PCs and not $3,000 workstations to do it (just as well) on Windows, then I guess I can see where you're coming from. Otherwise, it's lost upon me.

    The price difference between PC and Mac in the WORKSTATION Market (with similar specs on each machine) is much less than the difference between the two in the DESKTOP PC market because that market segment simply isn't as price sensitive as the consumer market.

    Mac Pros are Workstation-Class machines, not General Purpose Desktop PCs. Compare an iMac to the $1,000 Windows PC, not a Mac Pro. Comparing a Mac Pro to that makes no sense. Such a cheap PC won't even be able to run Pro Apps well with any decently-sized projects.

    Also, yes, you can do that with a PC. Windows runs many of the same Pro Apps as OSX with virtually the same feature set and performance assuming similar machine specifications. Plug it in and keep working, just don't try to do what is meant for a workstation on an underpowered desktop.
    Macs are both work station grade and general use machines. Why do the music, video, software, photography industry as a whole use macs, yet macs are the most popular computers on college campuses? The question isn't if those things can be done on PCs, it's why aren't they? There is a reason the mentioned industries don't use PCs in general.

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  17. kellyjdrummer's Avatar
    I'll pass. I'll figure out how to stop getting notifications.
    01-04-2015 07:38 PM
  18. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Macs are both work station grade and general use machines. Why do the music, video, software, photography industry as a whole use macs, yet macs are the most popular computers on college campuses? The question isn't if those things can be done on PCs, it's why aren't they? There is a reason the mentioned industries don't use PCs in general.

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    I am not sure you know what you're talking about. MacBooks and iMacs are desktop grade machines. They use desktop processors (core be Xeon for example), desktop class graphics cards (Radeon vs firegl for example), desktop class RAM (ecc vs no ecc), etc.

    The workstation class devices and components cost like 3x that of their desktop counterparts. This is why the machines cost so much. The computer is way more reliable and its performance is optimized for different tasks than a desktop or gaming machine or something you use on a general office desk.

    The two types of machines are in completely different categories.

    An iMac or MacBook is not a workstation, it's a personal computer.

    College campuses don't need workstations everywhere. For general use, outside of labs and specific scenarios that demand workstation class equipment, managed desktop equipment serves the purpose just fine.

    There are workstations in the notebook form factor. Just cause it sits on the desk doesn't make it that b

    All OEMs distinguish desktop systems from Workstations in their product line.

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  19. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    I am not sure you know what you're talking about. MacBooks and iMacs are desktop grade machines. They use desktop processors (core be Xeon for example), desktop class graphics cards (Radeon vs firegl for example), desktop class RAM (ecc vs no ecc), etc.

    The workstation class devices and components cost like 3x that of their desktop counterparts. This is why the machines cost so much. The computer is way more reliable and its performance is optimized for different tasks than a desktop or gaming machine or something you use on a general office desk.

    The two types of machines are in completely different categories.

    An iMac or MacBook is not a workstation, it's a personal computer.

    College campuses don't need workstations everywhere. For general use, outside of labs and specific scenarios that demand workstation class equipment, managed desktop equipment serves the purpose just fine.


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    You still haven't addressed or even attempted to address why said industries use macs over PCs.
    And i wasn't talking about the actual college using the macs, I was talking about the students using them, although the college I'm attending next year uses iMacs for their graphic design and computer science departments.

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    01-04-2015 07:50 PM
  20. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    But quite honestly, I don't care. I have had a terrible experience with windows and a wonderful experience with macs and will never use windows on a laptop or desktop again. I have a windows at work to run Quickbooks, and some mornings it won't open quickbooks. It's laggy and buggy and my family's computer is the same way.


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    01-04-2015 08:04 PM
  21. Geodude074's Avatar
    Man I love PCs. I feel kind of bad for the people who don't know how to operate a PC. I just built a budget gaming PC for my kid brother this holiday weekend. $450 for an Intel Pentium G3258, GTX 750 Ti build that will blow the casing off a PS4 or Xbox One. You can't do that with a Mac.

    I'm also toying around with a sub $200 ultra-low-wattage HTPC build. It's going to do nothing but stay connected to my TV 24/7 as my media server. Now wherever I go, I can stick my $35 Chromecast into any HDMI outlet and watch all my media on it. You *can* do the same with a Mac, but it would be 5 times the price at least.
    01-04-2015 08:17 PM
  22. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    You still haven't addressed or even attempted to address why said industries use macs over PCs.
    And i wasn't talking about the actual college using the macs, I was talking about the students using them, although the college I'm attending next year uses iMacs for their graphic design and computer science departments.

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  23. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    But quite honestly, I don't care. I have had a terrible experience with windows and a wonderful experience with macs and will never use windows on a laptop or desktop again. I have a windows at work to run Quickbooks, and some mornings it won't open quickbooks. It's laggy and buggy and my family's computer is the same way.


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    Disregarding the obvious overstating and exaggeration, I doubt Windows is the problem there.

    Really, I do.

    Considering it's the premier platform for gaming and it seems to run those fine, your story about a PC lagging running QuickBooks seems far fetched.

    Unless you're talking about a 15!year old computer. Cause I have a 9 year old machine that runs Windows 7 flawlessly. I can raid in WOW with 20 people in the instance at 25-35 FPS, and it's running mid ranged hardware much of which is over half a decade old because there is limited upgrade options with such a small PSU and the fact that it's just... Old...


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    01-04-2015 08:23 PM
  24. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Disregarding the obvious overstating and exaggeration, I doubt Windows is the problem there.

    Really, I do.

    Considering it's the premier platform for gaming and it seems to run those fine, your story about a PC lagging running QuickBooks seems far fetched.

    Unless you're talking about a 15!year old computer. Cause I have a 9 year old machine that runs Windows 7 flawlessly. I can raid in WOW with 20 people in the instance at 25-35 FPS, and it's running mid ranged hardware much of which is over half a decade old because there is limited upgrade options with such a small PSU and the fact that it's just... Old...


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    It was purchased last year new. It's an HP of some sort. You can doubt it all you want. But it's true. I could take a video of it tomorrow and post it here. There was zero overstating or exaggeration. It usually takes about 10 minutes to open quickbooks. You could also ask the customer who had to wait 30 minutes to get his check when it should have taken 5 because quickbooks wasn't open and it took 30 minutes and a computer restart to get it open. (And I had to write the check manually which put the company at risk of having the check forged). Yeah. I have had a terrible experience with windows.


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    01-04-2015 08:24 PM
  25. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    No video is needed. I can make most any Apache lag on demand if I wanted to make a video. Not saying you will. But your experience is not indicative of how Windows performs even on lower end desktop and notebook laptops.

    We have 3 Windows laptops and a Mac in here.

    I'm well aware of how it performs even on lower mid range hardware. One is a 1.3 GHz e-300 AMD machine. That's practically netbook spec. It runs Windows 7 just fine.

    Perhaps check how much RAM is in the machine. I don't see how a 1 year old PC would have trouble running something that is probably less demanding than Microsoft Word 2013.


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    01-04-2015 08:29 PM
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