1. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    Hey!

    I'm just wondering, from Apple-user perspectives, what you all think about the BlackBerry Passport with BlackBerry 10.3 (coupled with Amazon App Store).

    I thought it looked ugly, at first, but now seeing the photos of it in-hand, it looks great!

    I also used to have some minor issues with app selection on BlackBerry World. Now Amazon App Store is available, which has everything else I could possibly need.

    If you like it, why? If you don't, why not?
    What makes you want to buy this device? What makes you want to steer clear of this device? (and please don't say something like 'because it's a BlackBerry')

    I'm not trying to cause arguments, as I am genuinely interested!

    Me? I like the big wide screen with real high ppi. I also really love the squared-off design. The touch-sensitive keyboard is also very intriguing.
    06-22-2014 09:19 AM
  2. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    See, it's not an ugly looking device I reckon!

    Along with the Classic.

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    06-22-2014 09:29 AM
  3. Trees's Avatar
    I think it would look better with the Classic rounded edges and design style. Might be one of those things where you have to see it in person.
    06-22-2014 09:36 AM
  4. taz323's Avatar
    If it helps them, and it works, great. they needed some help in that area. For me, I have everything I need right here, iPhone 5s,iPad 4, and MacBook Air and more app"s than i will ever need. I'm good thank you.
    06-22-2014 09:42 AM
  5. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    If it helps them, and it works, great. they needed some help in that area. For me, I have everything I need right here, iPhone 5s,iPad 4, and MacBook Air and more app"s than i will ever need. I'm good thank you.
    All good mate!

    Why is it that you wouldn't buy the Passport for your next upgrade? Are you very deep in the Apple ecosystem?

    Unfortunately for BlackBerry, they don't have an ecosystem as big as their competitors. It can be coupled with other ecosystems easily though. That works for and against them. It also means that it is easier for people to make the switch away from BlackBerry 10.

    I hope that they address this and have more solutions to increase their 'staying power' on the ecosystem front.

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    06-22-2014 09:45 AM
  6. taz323's Avatar
    All good mate!

    Why is it that you wouldn't buy the Passport for your next upgrade? Are you very deep in the Apple ecosystem?

    Unfortunately for BlackBerry, they don't have an ecosystem as big as their competitors. It can be coupled with other ecosystems easily though. That works for and against them. It also means that it is easier for people to make the switch away from BlackBerry 10.


    I hope that they address this and have more solutions to increase their 'staying power' on the ecosystem front.


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    I came over to Apple from Blackberry, had everything from the Curve up to the Bold 9930, and not one but 2 PlayBooks. no matter what i did could never get things to click. then their support for the PlayBook were very lacking,IMO.
    So i moved over to Apple and from day one things just worked for me, and I do have a lot invested and plan on investing more. But found something that works for me and will stick with it as long as it does.
    06-22-2014 10:00 AM
  7. Septembersrain's Avatar
    I'm interested but I think at this point, I need to see the price. Chen needs to be competitive with it and if it's over $500, I just don't see it.

    However, the Classic is interesting too. For me I just don't know if I ever liked the traditional toolbelt. Nor the track pad either...

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    06-22-2014 10:11 AM
  8. FFR's Avatar
    See, it's not an ugly looking device I reckon!

    Along with the Classic.

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    Wow is it WIDE. i seriously have certain reservations that it could fit comfortably in an execs pocket.
    It's a very ugly looking device, especially in the last pic, when you look at it dead on , it's just painful to watch. Kinda reminds me of the hunchback of notre dome, Quasimodo. Lol, (perhaps somebody can photoshop him in instead of Chen).

    But seriously, I don't have faith the company will survive, and I will not buy a phone that is DOA:

    amazon app Store: Aren't all the new apps going to be using the fire phone kinect API? You know the 4 cameras that control the amazon phone that are not available on the passport. Those apps will not work on the Quasimodo.

    Android apps: android is changing thier runtime to ART instead of dalvik; this is something bb 10.3 will not address.

    Bb world: no more native apps, bb just threw what little developers they have left, under the bus. No need for them now that the App Store has been outsourced to amazon.

    Lastly, Not 64bit in 2014 = obsolete.
    06-22-2014 11:41 AM
  9. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    As a former Blackberry user, I actually like the look of the Classic. I think the Passport is downright really hard to look at. I don't like it at all nor the name they gave it.
    06-22-2014 02:13 PM
  10. Septembersrain's Avatar
    As a former Blackberry user, I actually like the look of the Classic. I think the Passport is downright really hard to look at. I don't like it at all nor the name they gave it.
    I do like the Classic as well. The Passport isn't THAT bad, I just can't imagine holding it. It looks far too square and wide for my hands.

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    06-22-2014 02:19 PM
  11. Beyond Fire's Avatar
    I'm sorry to say it but the passport looks mad ugly! The Classic however looks nice. If I were to ever buy another blackberry it would be the classic.


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    06-22-2014 02:39 PM
  12. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    Wow is it WIDE. i seriously have certain reservations that it could fit comfortably in an execs pocket.
    It's a very ugly looking device, especially in the last pic, when you look at it dead on , it's just painful to watch. Kinda reminds me of the hunchback of notre dome, Quasimodo. Lol, (perhaps somebody can photoshop him in instead of Chen).

    But seriously, I don't have faith the company will survive, and I will not buy a phone that is DOA:

    amazon app Store: Aren't all the new apps going to be using the fire phone kinect API? You know the 4 cameras that control the amazon phone that are not available on the passport. Those apps will not work on the Quasimodo.

    Android apps: android is changing thier runtime to ART instead of dalvik; this is something bb 10.3 will not address.

    Bb world: no more native apps, bb just threw what little developers they have left, under the bus. No need for them now that the App Store has been outsourced to amazon.

    Lastly, Not 64bit in 2014 = obsolete.
    I hear it fits fine into a pocket. My friends have told me so

    I think those apps should still work on BlackBerry 10, regardless of whether they use that API or not. Amazon have other Android devices, and to cut them off like you're suggesting wouldn't be very smart.

    BlackBerry SDK for app development is still being developed and will continue as per normal. They're just focusing on Enterprise/Productivity apps for BlackBerry World. The only difference is that Games will not be Featured in the 'Featured Apps' section.

    Yes, 10.3 doesn't address this change to ART, because the change hasn't been made yet. Can't do it before Google does it!

    Obsolete? Sorry, but is there a phone with more? Don't think so.

    In the end, I have faith that the company will survive. BlackBerry 10 sales have improved. Costs are waaayyyyy down. You don't have to believe me though.

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    06-22-2014 02:44 PM
  13. FFR's Avatar
    I hear it fits fine into a pocket. My friends have told me so
    At 3.18 inches I disagree, sales will tell which one of us is right though.

    I think those apps should still work on BlackBerry 10, regardless of whether they use that API or not. Amazon have other Android devices, and to cut them off like you're suggesting wouldn't be very smart.
    Think? Lol, ok then.
    You mean the kindle fire? your foolish if you think amazon doesn't want developers to use the camera tracking API's to differentiate thier phone from the competition.

    BlackBerry SDK for app development is still being developed and will continue as per normal. They're just focusing on Enterprise/Productivity apps for BlackBerry World. The only difference is use that Games will not be Featured in the 'Featured Apps' section.
    Doesn't matter. Bb alienated their developers. They are not coming back.

    "BlackBerry Shafts Native Developers In Light of Amazon Licensing Deal
    Opinion"
    http://n4bb.com/blackberry-shafts-na...icensing-deal/

    Yes, 10.3 doesn't address this change to ART, because the change hasn't been made yet. Can't do it before Google does it!
    Well that's what happens when you ride someone else's coat tails.

    Obsolete? Sorry, but is there a phone with more? Don't think so.
    Yes obsolete. The iPhone 5s and soon iPhone 6 both are 64bit. Ios with the 64 ecosystem and 64 bit apps.
    So 32 bit blackberry = obsolete or DOA.

    In the end, I have faith that the company will survive. BlackBerry 10 sales have improved. Costs are waaayyyyy down. You don't have to believe me though.

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    Why would I believe you when I know better?

    From another thread:

    Blackberry:
    They can't compete. Blackberry is done.

    As it stands, 54% of blackberry's revenue comes from services, almost all from service access fees on legacy BlackBerry 7 subscribers. 30 million legacy blackberry 7 subscribers have abandoned blackberry in the past year, the figure now remains at 50 million, but not for long. As more and more legacy blackberry users transition away from blackberry and into competing platforms and ecosystem service fees will continue to fall and blackberry will not have any new service revenue until January 2016, because they are giving it away for free in hopes of trying customers.

    "The firm launched the EZ Pass program in March to switch over business customers to its BlackBerry Enterprise Service 10 offering for free, including new customers coming from rivals. BlackBerry said Thursday more than 2,600 customers have registered under the program. But they won't begin paying support fees until January 2016"

    http://m.europe.wsj.com/articles/hea...04064?mobile=y

    Hardware revenue has been in decline for a while now, having fallen to 39% of revenue. Oh and blackberry 10 sales have fallen to 1 million a quarter, let me repeat that, 1 million A QUARTER. that's about 300,000 a month, that's it. That's nothing. Oh and that includes this bit of WARNING:
    "which included shipments made and recognized prior to the first quarter and which reduced the Company's inventory in channel."

    So basically that 1 million bb10 figure didn't actually happen in the quarter.

    Oh and about that profit blackberry "earned", $23 million thanks to proceeds of $287 million on the sale their campus and other buildings, as well as receipt of a $397 million tax refund. So they will not have that extra $684 million windfall next quarter.

    "BlackBerry ekes out a profit as revenue tumbles nearly 70 percent"

    http://m.infoworld.com/d/the-industr...oogle.co.uk%2F

    http://news.morningstar.com/articlen...aspx?id=651560
    Yup I wonder how many blackberry 10 phones were actually sold last quarter, only 2. I mean they have the disclaimer up their, regarding recognizing "shipments made prior to the quarter" in that 1 million number.

    Cheers.
    Last edited by FFR; 06-22-2014 at 03:51 PM.
    06-22-2014 03:22 PM
  14. Coachbulldog's Avatar
    The Passport is not be for me for the same reason I do not want a bigger screen iPhone. I'm not a fan of the oversized phones even though I know many, including iPhone users, want a device with a large screen. I prefer the screen size of my 5s. If I were going to consider a return to BlackBerry, I would check out the Z10 or the new Classic.


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    06-22-2014 06:35 PM
  15. HAMEDACC's Avatar
    Not any interest, now it is more like one of nokia keyboard phones
    Come on! No way
    06-22-2014 06:50 PM
  16. HankAZ's Avatar
    See, it's not an ugly looking device I reckon!

    Along with the Classic.

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    I disagree. It is extremely ugly, and I would not own an ugly device like that, even if someone gave it to me.
    06-22-2014 07:02 PM
  17. mmcfly23's Avatar
    I'm not a fan of the passport (very ugly device), however the classic looks decent.


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    06-22-2014 07:21 PM
  18. mulasien's Avatar
    This sounds like a sales pitch.
    06-22-2014 07:50 PM
  19. mmcfly23's Avatar
    Wow is it WIDE. i seriously have certain reservations that it could fit comfortably in an execs pocket.
    It's a very ugly looking device, especially in the last pic, when you look at it dead on , it's just painful to watch. Kinda reminds me of the hunchback of notre dome, Quasimodo. Lol, (perhaps somebody can photoshop him in instead of Chen).


    Lastly, Not 64bit in 2014 = obsolete.
    I agree, this device is hideous.


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    06-22-2014 10:21 PM
  20. megajo123's Avatar
    As a current BlackBerry user, I have to agree with all you IPhone users, the BlackBerry passport is an extremely ugly device........I font see how the people back over at CrackBerry don't see it...I made a joke a few weeks ago on CrackBerry about the IPhone 6 looking like a 750 pound man sat on an IPhone 5S and flattened it out...and I can make the joke again about this ugly device (The IPhone 6's look pretty nice though), it looks like someone sat on a Q10 and flattened it, its fat and ugly, you cant make perfectly square edges on phones work unless you're Nokia, and don't even get me started on that keyboard.... The one thing every BlackBerry user loved is the thing that was completely remodeled in this device, recently things have been looking up for BlackBerry, but I think the release of this phone will be the ennnnnnddddd
    06-23-2014 12:19 AM
  21. BBFunGuy's Avatar
    Well, in its favour, the money not spend on it, due to it being so ugly, can be spent on plastic surgery.
    Last edited by BBFunGuy; 06-23-2014 at 01:58 AM. Reason: tidying up
    06-23-2014 01:44 AM
  22. FFR's Avatar
    The blackberry Quasimodo.
    By Quasimodo, For Quasimodo.



    One more reason the iPhone 5s trumps blackberry.
    06-23-2014 02:10 AM
  23. lui22's Avatar
    Wow is it WIDE. i seriously have certain reservations that it could fit comfortably in an execs pocket.
    It's a very ugly looking device, especially in the last pic, when you look at it dead on , it's just painful to watch. Kinda reminds me of the hunchback of notre dome, Quasimodo. Lol, (perhaps somebody can photoshop him in instead of Chen).

    But seriously, I don't have faith the company will survive, and I will not buy a phone that is DOA:

    amazon app Store: Aren't all the new apps going to be using the fire phone kinect API? You know the 4 cameras that control the amazon phone that are not available on the passport. Those apps will not work on the Quasimodo.

    Android apps: android is changing thier runtime to ART instead of dalvik; this is something bb 10.3 will not address.

    Bb world: no more native apps, bb just threw what little developers they have left, under the bus. No need for them now that the App Store has been outsourced to amazon.

    Lastly, Not 64bit in 2014 = obsolete.
    I thought the same thing when the announcement came out with amazon. There is no more need for me to update and work on three platforms. Learning cascades for me was a waste of my time now that all i have to do is make sure my apps run on ARE. That being said, once you see the device in person It looks much more commanding than the Z10 did. The classic. IT LOOKS LIKE A RETRO SMART PHONE.


    On the 64bit part, what good is it for if you can't use it? That would be like driving an Aventador at 20MPH for all of its life because no country has developed the roads for it to go any faster. 64bit IS UTTERLY USELESS right now
    06-23-2014 04:27 AM
  24. FFR's Avatar
    On the 64bit part, what good is it for if you can't use it? That would be like driving an Aventador at 20MPH for all of its life because no country has developed the roads for it to go any faster. 64bit IS UTTERLY USELESS right now
    Can't use it hahahaha. Utterly useless???, you really are misinformed aren't you.

    "iOS 7 will be 64-bit, just like the iPhone 5s' new A7 chip"



    "Apple also revealed that iOS 7 itself will be 64-bit. This means a native 64-bit kernel, along with 64-bit libraries and drivers. Accordingly, all of the native apps that come baked into iOS have been retooled to serve up faster performance "

    The roads have already been built. And everyone with a 5s are on it.


    Developers have been writing apps in 64 bit for a year now.

    From apples developers website:

    "About 64-Bit Cocoa Touch Apps

    When desktop operating systems transitioned from 32-bit to 64-bit addressing, 64-bit apps were critical to the OS transition. Now, iOS is getting a similar desktop-class architecture. Starting with iOS 7 and the A7 processor, you can build iOS apps that take advantage of 64-bit processors. An app that supports 64-bit processing almost always gains improved performance when compared with a 32-bit app running on the same device."


    https://developer.apple.com/library/...roduction.html

    Guaranteed performance increase is useless to you? Increased efficacy?

    Oh right 64 bit is useless until the competitors feature it.
    I remember a lot of posters downplaying multitouch and capacitive screens when the iPhone launched, touting the resistive touch screens and stylus as a more mature solution. Complete bs.
    06-23-2014 07:07 AM
  25. AgentHeracles's Avatar
    It is wide but As for it fitting in an exec's pocket: They use holster/cases. If it's any good - I will have to see personally. My last Blackberry was the Bold 9650(Tour 2). People say Blackberry's keyboards are great, well if they are so great then why did they change them to "suck"(getting smaller). The last Blackberry that had the keyboard that people wanted for me was the 8703e. I would like to also mention that I got an Asurion replacement for my Tour and the trackball was not stable - it fell down all the time.
    06-23-2014 07:44 AM
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