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    Regarding it's dive into the market of selling iPhones with larger screens. Yes I know the 5 has a larger screen but compared to other options out there it's nothing to write home about. Before people say "Then go android" or whatever, know I've been a long time iPhone user and huge Apple fan. However I feel Apple is heading in the wrong direction by releasing lower end iPhones to make them more "affordable" instead of focusing on trying to stay competitive. Sure they are selling well but it has been a while since the Apple has put out something simply mind blowing. It's refusal to make a larger screen (No I do not suggest they go 5in or phablet size) iPhone on par with it's competitors coupled with it's lack of bringing something new to the table will hurt them in the long run. I'm sure there are plenty of you who are totally happy with their iPhones, and for the most part so am I, but I know there are some of you are kind of frustrated with Apple's lack of innovation.
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    I see your point, and you might be right. But as far as I remember, apple did not do the big leap to a larger screen due to problems of screen compatibility of the apps. To change the screen ratio would also mean that app developers will have a lot of work to do. So they kept the same ratio with the iPhone 5 and went smoothly to the next generation iPhone. My guess is that they are aware of the million problems that has caused to android, since there are many different screens to cope with one App Store, I.e. google play. But I have to admit that if apple wants to remain competitive it should look into a brand new iPhone with larger screen. Personally I am still with the iPhone 4 since I mainly use my ipad for all other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LitUp View Post
    Regarding it's dive into the market of selling iPhones with larger screens. Yes I know the 5 has a larger screen but compared to other options out there it's nothing to write home about. Before people say "Then go android" or whatever, know I've been a long time iPhone user and huge Apple fan. However I feel Apple is heading in the wrong direction by releasing lower end iPhones to make them more "affordable" instead of focusing on trying to stay competitive. Sure they are selling well but it has been a while since the Apple has put out something simply mind blowing. It's refusal to make a larger screen (No I do not suggest they go 5in or phablet size) iPhone on par with it's competitors coupled with it's lack of bringing something new to the table will hurt them in the long run. I'm sure there are plenty of you who are totally happy with their iPhones, and for the most part so am I, but I know there are some of you are kind of frustrated with Apple's lack of innovation.
    A lot of people share your views on the subject, and before the iPhone 5 was released, I was one of the people who, although satisfied with the 3.5 inch display, hoped for a larger display, but on the side of width and not height. Still, the iPhone 5 turned out well. Having said that, I, and I maybe in the minority here, didn't flock to the iPhone for innovation sake. I opted to buy the 4S because it was well-built, professional-looking, fast and fluid, simple to use and just plain worked. I can see how companies get caught up in a catch-22 situation at times. Look at the Blackberry Company (formerly RIM) and what is arguably happening to Apple. These companies are icons in the smartphone industry and Blackberry ruled the business landscape for years. During that time, just like Apple today, they were faced with a dilemma. Should they make significant changes to their devices and user interface for the sake of being innovative and risk upsetting their core customers who are satisfied with the status quo or should they maintain what made them successful and profitable and risk losing out to a new upstart or competitor who introduces a new & cool way of doing things? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. I can't count the number of posts I've read where a person left the iOS platform seeking greener pastures only to return and seek forgiveness for leaving in the first place......I have no doubt that people will flock back to Blackberry for the same reason, but the return will not be swift, but will be gradual.
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    Until Tim Cook holds a low cost iPhone up on stage it's vaporware. So we don't know what direction they are heading.

    Coming off a Galaxy Nexus recently the screen does feel even smaller than before. But the trade off is the phone is far more easy to handle IMO. I really like the size of the iPhone 5 and the feel.

    That said, I'd also like slightly larger as well. I think 4.3" is the sweet spot. The HTC 8X might be the perfect size phone; it's slightly bigger but still nice using one handed. The new BB Z10 might be it if the bezel didn't look so massive around the screen.

    And yeah, I'm one of those who left seeking greener pastures of big screens and new stuff but look at me now; right back where I started. There should be a Nexus 4 waiting for me at home this evening though.
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    I view the larger screen argument as a "grass is always greener" situation. There are so many unforseen problems that might arise from going to yet a different size screen that we don't know about. In the end is having a bigger screen size innovative? there are lots of people that will still cry that Apple is not innovating even if there were two iPhone's with different screen sizes. Apple has opted for a different approach by having the iPhone at 4", iPad Mini at 7.9" and the iPad at 9.7" in order to please the majority of the market. Apple probably wouldn't consider having a bigger size screen because having two iPhones doesn't mean that Android users will flock to the iPhone with the bigger screen so if it ends up being a dud Apple will catch all hell for it. Don't foget that the market, media, stockmarket is WAY more forgiving of Android than it is of Apple. So imagine they put out an iPhone with a 4.5" screen that bombs god the stock would take one hell of a beating and even more it would make Apple seem even more beatable by their competitors. Samsung would have something to brag about because they would point to the fact that they have Phablets that are selling. Personally I do think that looking at 2007 and the intro of the iPhone they do need to do something to blow the doors of the smartphone market again but I think instead what they should do is stop trying to squeeze profits out of every model and just go big with the next model. Kick it up a notch by putting 2GB or RAM, 128GB of storage, top of the line battery that will last an extra whatever % longer. The reality though is that now most of the innovation will be what they can do with the software to make things more efficient, easier, faster for the user apart from the new technologies that get developed.
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    Honestly I would be happy if they kept the 4" size but made it a little wider rather than just taller. Apple has the amount of developers and users, that developers aren't going to miss out on the money to be made from apps if they changed the resolution and had to work to make their apps compatible. I don't think apple needs to go any larger screen just make it wider and that alone would make the iphone even better.
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    Lack of innovation...lol.

    Apple increases the iPhones screen size...people say they are losing their grip on the market and are folding under pressure.

    Apple doesn't increase the iPhones screen size...people complain they have a lack of innovation.

    Apple releases 10 different iPhones...ranging from 4 inches - 2 feet...to appease every request on screen size that has been requested over the last 5 years, as usual, the phones ALL sell out and break records, but then people complain that maybe Apple is too compliant, and that they wish Apple would return to the days when Apple didn't follow trends.

    ...you see where I'm going with this? Your desire for a bigger screen isn't a bad thing, lots of people agree with you, and it's a fair desire if a bigger screen is what does it for you...when you start with the "lack of innovation" crap though, it moves from a personal opinion and desire to useless drivel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LitUp View Post
    Regarding it's dive into the market of selling iPhones with larger screens. Yes I know the 5 has a larger screen but compared to other options out there it's nothing to write home about. Before people say "Then go android" or whatever, know I've been a long time iPhone user and huge Apple fan. However I feel Apple is heading in the wrong direction by releasing lower end iPhones to make them more "affordable" instead of focusing on trying to stay competitive. Sure they are selling well but it has been a while since the Apple has put out something simply mind blowing. It's refusal to make a larger screen (No I do not suggest they go 5in or phablet size) iPhone on par with it's competitors coupled with it's lack of bringing something new to the table will hurt them in the long run. I'm sure there are plenty of you who are totally happy with their iPhones, and for the most part so am I, but I know there are some of you are kind of frustrated with Apple's lack of innovation.

    People tend to lose perspective in any discussion of Apple shares. Somehow we are all experts, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.
    Apple’s recent earnings announcements and product releases serves as a perfect example of how irrational investors have become. I will concede that Apple’s Q4 was not on par with what I have come to expect (and I’m long the stock.) We can also agree that the macro climate has not exactly been favorable to even the best tech companies.
    Amazon reported a loss of $274 million and Google didn’t necessarily excite anyone with its report, accidentally released as it was. On a similar note, Microsoft missed both its top and bottom line estimates of $18.11 billion and $0.65 per share, which ended its streak of revenue growth spanning four quarters.
    Nonetheless, Apple’s results are what everyone remembers. It was a reminder that the company is led by humans, not magicians. Was the “disappointment” (if you can call it that) a onetime blunder or a sign of something worse? During the quarter, Apple generated revenue of $36 billion and $8.2 billion in profit, or $8.67 per diluted share. Those figures in 2011? Revenue: $28.3 billion. Profit: $6.6 billion. Per share earnings: $7.05.
    The iPhone saw an impressive year-over-year unit growth of almost 60%. Ipad sales were up 26%. The company saw tremendous growth across all of its entire product lines, but critics scream “cannibalization” at every turn. It doesn’t make sense.
    Apple cares more about how it is executing its business than it does about what we think it should be doing. That’s the way it should be. Expectations were so high (and continue to be) to the extent that 30% revenue growth was not enough to keep the street happy. Competition may be catching up a bit, but it is catching up because Apple is leading. The gap may be narrowing a bit but they will never have the logo and what it stands for.
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    The sad reality is that there are some people, most likely uninvested in Apple in any regard, that WANT Apple to fail because they snarl for the fall of the top of the food chain, regardless of who or what is there. This is the same with almost anything, from Presidents to cell phones, there are always people who, regardless of proof or success in any regard, what failure and unsuccessful trends. Jealousy and envy are common terms in relation to these feelings...you see it in groups of people, when one will become very wealthy or very successful, and without skipping a beat, there will be one (or more) that wish hardship and failure on that person.

    Apple is a company that true businesses salivate over and hope day and night that they could mimic (in terms of success)...and while they continue this direction, so will the haters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LitUp View Post
    Regarding it's dive into the market of selling iPhones with larger screens. Yes I know the 5 has a larger screen but compared to other options out there it's nothing to write home about. Before people say "Then go android" or whatever, know I've been a long time iPhone user and huge Apple fan. However I feel Apple is heading in the wrong direction by releasing lower end iPhones to make them more "affordable" instead of focusing on trying to stay competitive. Sure they are selling well but it has been a while since the Apple has put out something simply mind blowing. It's refusal to make a larger screen (No I do not suggest they go 5in or phablet size) iPhone on par with it's competitors coupled with it's lack of bringing something new to the table will hurt them in the long run. I'm sure there are plenty of you who are totally happy with their iPhones, and for the most part so am I, but I know there are some of you are kind of frustrated with Apple's lack of innovation.
    In my opinion, Steve Jobs was the true visionary for the company. He was very passionate about Apple and seeing it succeed. I do not think that Tim Cook has the same drive. Back in September, I decided to move back to Android and bought a Samsung Galaxy S3. At first it was real cool, being able to customize it and have all these widgets. Then I started to hit a wall, which was battery drain. I thought of buying a heavier duty battery and turning off notifications and such. The extended batteries had limited case offerings and most were TPU and they ruined the appearance of the phone and defeated the sole purpose of why I purchase the phone in the first place. Then I started to turn off updates which then made me wonder why I had a smartphone to begin with, if my updates were occurring once or twice per day.

    When the Iphone 5 arrived I kind of laughed as it seemed to be no different from the Iphone 4 that I had. I was shocked to see so many people flocking to the Iphone 5. Around November/December, the allure of the S3 and the DROID operating system started to wear thin. The frequent crashing and constant need to reset the phone was getting on my last nerve. Also, the constant need to tweak the system to save the battery and improve things grew exhausting.

    One day I got tired of all of it and sold my S3 online and bought the Iphone 5. I have never regretted the purchase. I charge this phone every other day at the most compared to the S3 that required me to charge 2-3 times per day.

    The future for Apple is a concern of mine. I would hate to see the company go back to the way it was before Steve Jobs. Apple is known for its innovation and not be a follower. Lately they have done too much following and worrying about the competition. Steve never worried about the competition. He never needed to. His passion was so strong about technology and Apple that he never allowed it to be a follower.
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    I don't agree. I think 4" is a great common ground for everyone. People with large hands have a bigger surface to grab. People with small hands, especially women, can easily reach all the keys while typing with one hand.

    If guys with big hands say its too small, Put on a large case like an Otterbox or ballistic. Apple is working on finding that sweet spot for screen size and this is it.
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    I don't know why everyone assumes apple is going to release a less expensive model.. Don't you guys understand that it already exists.. You can go buy an iPhone 4S with 8gb right now.. That is the less expensive model nothing new about it..


    Also I think the iPhone 5 has a perfect screen size fits in the pocket well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jclisenby View Post
    I don't agree. I think 4" is a great common ground for everyone. People with large hands have a bigger surface to grab. People with small hands, especially women, can easily reach all the keys while typing with one hand.

    If guys with big hands say its too small, Put on a large case like an Otterbox or ballistic. Apple is working on finding that sweet spot for screen size and this is it.
    I'm with you on this. I think 4" - 4.3" (Galaxy S2 size) is hitting the sweet spot in terms of size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tech_fan View Post
    In my opinion, Steve Jobs was the true visionary for the company. He was very passionate about Apple and seeing it succeed. I do not think that Tim Cook has the same drive. Back in September, I decided to move back to Android and bought a Samsung Galaxy S3. At first it was real cool, being able to customize it and have all these widgets. Then I started to hit a wall, which was battery drain. I thought of buying a heavier duty battery and turning off notifications and such. The extended batteries had limited case offerings and most were TPU and they ruined the appearance of the phone and defeated the sole purpose of why I purchase the phone in the first place. Then I started to turn off updates which then made me wonder why I had a smartphone to begin with, if my updates were occurring once or twice per day.
    Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs, this is apparent in everything from his input in development to his character on stage during keynotes...there will never be another Steve Jobs in that regard, but I don't think that Tim Cook is steering the ship in a different direction, I think his leadership of the team is just different, but is steadily heading in the same direction. The reason i feel strongly about this is because before Steve Jobs was really sick (and not able to lead the company) we had a release that some people viewed as "stagnant", with the same complaints that you see today when it comes to the iPhone and iOS in general...

    Tim Cook took over because Steve Jobs was dying...that is what people need to understand, he didn't overthrow Jobs dream, he didn't step into power from a choice of either him or Jobs, he took over out of necessity, and was probably scared to death. I give the guy props...imagine being handed the reigns to the meteorically growing Apple company, and being told "It's all on you now bud.", I think he's done a fine job up to this point personally, given the circumstances.
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    I really appreciate this thoughtful and informative post.

    Question: why not simply stow a second battery somewhere? I've seen several people with honkin' big android phones swap out batteries mid day.

    Quote Originally Posted by tech_fan View Post
    In my opinion, Steve Jobs was the true visionary for the company. He was very passionate about Apple and seeing it succeed. I do not think that Tim Cook has the same drive. Back in September, I decided to move back to Android and bought a Samsung Galaxy S3. At first it was real cool, being able to customize it and have all these widgets. Then I started to hit a wall, which was battery drain. I thought of buying a heavier duty battery and turning off notifications and such. The extended batteries had limited case offerings and most were TPU and they ruined the appearance of the phone and defeated the sole purpose of why I purchase the phone in the first place. Then I started to turn off updates which then made me wonder why I had a smartphone to begin with, if my updates were occurring once or twice per day.

    When the Iphone 5 arrived I kind of laughed as it seemed to be no different from the Iphone 4 that I had. I was shocked to see so many people flocking to the Iphone 5. Around November/December, the allure of the S3 and the DROID operating system started to wear thin. The frequent crashing and constant need to reset the phone was getting on my last nerve. Also, the constant need to tweak the system to save the battery and improve things grew exhausting.

    One day I got tired of all of it and sold my S3 online and bought the Iphone 5. I have never regretted the purchase. I charge this phone every other day at the most compared to the S3 that required me to charge 2-3 times per day.

    The future for Apple is a concern of mine. I would hate to see the company go back to the way it was before Steve Jobs. Apple is known for its innovation and not be a follower. Lately they have done too much following and worrying about the competition. Steve never worried about the competition. He never needed to. His passion was so strong about technology and Apple that he never allowed it to be a follower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelo_Campher View Post
    I'm with you on this. I think 4" - 4.3" (Galaxy S2 size) is hitting the sweet spot in terms of size.
    I held off on buying an iphone until the '5' precisely because I thought it was the first iphone to have an adequate screen size. Nonetheless, I would welcome a 4.25" and/or 4.5" screen.
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    A bigger phone will make 1/2 of us happy. Keeping it the same (or smaller) will keep the other half happy. To me the obvious solution is 2 phones. We may be 2-3 years away from that but when the competition gets to be too much they'll give in. We saw it with the iPad Mini, we'll see it again. They've been at the top and at some point they'll become desperate to stay there.
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    A couple of observations:

    1. The less expensive iPhone already exists. I purchased an iPhone 5 for myself at $199, an iPhone 4s for my wife at $99 and an iPhone 4 for my 9 year old son at $1 (that killed me but that is another story...)

    I have mixed emotions; on the one hand doing this take away some of the panache of the brand, but on the other hand with other viable options it is important for Apple to maintain market share. They now have a 9 year old using an iPhone instead of an Android or Windows phone. ANd my wide would not have gone for any smart phone if the iPhone wasn't less than $100. I had mixed emotions about my iPhone for a couple of reasons but being a little more discriminating in my choice ( ) I went with the 5.

    2. The screen size is a tough nut to crack. I enjoy a larger screen and was toting around a Windows phone for the last few weeks. The screen was great. However, it was very difficult to manipulate the phone with one hand compared to the iPhone due to the girth. More than once I felt like I was going to drop the phone.

    In addition to physical dimensions, Apple is very careful to use resolutions that do not require developers to redesign their apps. We are actually lucky that most apps run on all iPhones and iPads.

    3. I think Apple's biggest hurdle right now is how to make the OS fresh while maintining the ease of use and polish that the OS has - Apple has been at this longer than Microsoft and Android and the polish on the OS shows it, but in many ways it is still iOS 1 to casual users. That is a problem - even I am bored with it, and I am a pretty die hard Apple supporter (one or two notches below rabid fanboi )
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    I just want to step in and clarify what "less expensive iPhone" means, it does not mean the on-contract price. When people discuss the "less expensive iPhone" they are referring to the off-contract price, because long term contracts are not popular in most parts of the world.
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    Lower end iPhones I think is ok. I'm not really a fan of the huge screened phones. 4 inches seems to be enough. The masses agree too, regardless of what some forum board posters think. 9/10 customers on AT&T bought iPhones 4 inches or less, 6/10 Verizon customers bought iPhones 4 inches or less.
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    You wish they'd show more innovation... by making phones with larger screens? That's definitely innovative /eyeroll
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    The next big thing won't be a different screen size, or a faster processor. In fact today's phones have pretty much milked everything they can do already. The next innovation is how your phone integrates with the world around you and the other devices that we use every day. I'm not making this into a BB vs iPhone thread but this is something that QNX has the ability to do. RIM has the foresight that mobile computing is the future, and not just running apps. ICloud is a good start, and maybe Apple will expand on that somehow. Our phones will integrate closer with our homes, our cars, the machines we use at work. Rather than launching an app on your phone, you run an app inside your device (TV, car, CT Scanner, CNC lathe, etc etc.). QNX is an amazing operating system that allows data traffic from external sources. If your TV app has a problem, the memory slot for that app is cleared and the operating system carries on and keeps running all of the other processes. So new innovative apps are fun, or ways to share your latest status update, but the boys and girls at Apple are clearly working on something that will take us into the next generation of computing. In a mere 5 years from now, we will be laughing at how simplistic the phones of 2012 used to be. When you talk about screen size and processing speed, your foresight is very short.
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    I wouldn't mind seeing Apple make a close to 5" iphone. But I don't like what I'm seeing from folks who think it'll have the same resolution as the current iphone. This, to me, equals a lesser quality screen and wouldn't appeal to me. But that's not to say that Apple wouldn't do this or that it wouldn't work. You only have to point to the ipad Mini to argue that millions wouldn't care.

    I think it's inevitable to see Apple make a bigger iphone. The switch to a 16:9 screen ratio was part one. These proposed 5" screen sizes weren't going to happen at 3:2. The only debate that remains is if Apple will do something along the lines of or actually double the screen resolution again. Either way, I think it'd be a NEW model, not one that replaces the 4" model.

    I'm still more excited about iOS 7 than any hardware coming out. The iphone 5 works for me.

    iOS being stale? It was that after the first couple of years if not sooner. The reason we put up with it is because the competition sucks. I'll take a stale OS over something that stutters, lags, has crap apps, crap hardware, no itunes, poor customer support or have to rely going to the carrier, poor or no updates, etc. If you're bored, there's a jailbreak for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post

    iOS being stale? It was that after the first couple of years if not sooner. The reason we put up with it is because the competition sucks. I'll take a stale OS over something that stutters, lags, has crap apps, crap hardware, no itunes, poor customer support or have to rely going to the carrier, poor or no updates, etc. If you're bored, there's a jailbreak for that.
    I agree with this somewhat. It's not that iOS is stale or boring to people, it's just that as humans we get "bored" of things very fast, and to us iOS has never changed the look of it or how it functions at its core. Yes feature have been added and what not but iOS has remained the same since iOS 1. I honestly don't think iOS needs to change, how much easier can you get to use the phone or launch apps etc. I don't see how anyone can make something more easy to use and thats apple focus. They want the mainstream to be able to use their phone.

    I have no problem with how iOS works as compared to android which I've also tried every android phone out there, iOS is smooth, just works, and doesn't lag. Compared to the completion (minus bb10 since that looks just as smooth) android can't even compete. I don't care what the iOS looks like as long as it works and it's easy to use, and all had the bells and whistles which iOS basically does, yes they could do some things better, but what operating system couldn't.

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