- 08-02-2011, 05:16 PM #26
Before this, the biggest hog on the network was the Blackberry, which simply hammed up networks with emails, and STILL were only using a few hundred MB's of data per month...even under heavy load, those phones would be pushing it to even come close to 1GB per month.
Besides the BB's...what was there? Palm phones? lmao...you've got to be joking right?
Hell, even when the iPhone first came out, the data plans were actually part of the messaging plan, which included SMS messages (and MMS messages on other phones since the first iPhone wasn't capable of such)...i remember paying like $20 for unlimited internet usage and 200 SMS messages or something like that...the focus then was people sending tons of messages...that in itself should tell you that the issue with data network bogging is a fairly recent "issue" for them...
And what's this about LTE? You're talking about something that there is ZERO information about from AT&T to its consumers...besides some generic LTE info that applies across the carrier board, there isn't a lick of information about it for AT&T specifically, and CERTAINLY nothing that would point you in any knowledgeable direction as far as how they'll handle data plans within LTE services.
And it deff isn't just the major data hogs that AT&T is focusing on...i know several people who have been using MiWi for YEARS that have received notification about their data usage when all of them are easily under the 10GB mark per month, even using Netflix and what not.
- 08-02-2011, 05:27 PM #27
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- 08-02-2011, 05:57 PM #28
You don't see evidence? Are you kidding? The evidence couldn't be anymore obvious than it has been...first piece of EVIDENCE is the blatant fact that they got rid of the unlimited data plan in the first place, second piece of evidence are the warnings to people who are on unlimited data plans that have been "grandfathered" in, basically telling them that they know they are using tethering outside of AT&T's own offerings, and they are giving them the information so they can switch over to the legitimate tethering plan with AT&T.
THIRD piece of evidence is the data throttling that begins this fall...they never ONCE said that they would only be throttling this 5% number you keep bringing up, they officially said two things...that there were a number of "heavy users" (that by numeric reference equalled up to about 5%) that were causing concern and hogging up data network speeds...THEN they said the throttling would only effect the unlimited data plan customers that they considered "heavy users", it never specifically pointed out 5% anywhere, it simply said heavy users...
So using deductive observation, one can see a trend here...right now the heavy users are that magic number "5%", so what about after the throttling occurs and that group is eliminated? Then what is the defined parameters of "heavy user"? Oh, that's right...there isn't one...there wasn't one before either, the 5% group was something that was figured up based on the number of users that AT&T was saying was using 12x the normal data usage of the network average.
And i point out again...you have an abrupt end to the unlimited data plan, then you have warnings and requests to users within that plan to switch over to AT&T's tiered plan...THEN you have data throttling.
Look man, i don't know about you, but it's kind of hard to ignore EVIDENCE like this when it's slapping you in the face. They are preparing the network for the elimination of unlimited data plans, period...there would be no reason for them to go through all these steps for any other reason BUT that, zero...none...they could simply throttle users behind the scenes like other companies do, and no one would be the wiser.
As far as the LTE thing...where did i say anything about AT&T not working on it? I said there wasn't any real information about their LTE network out there, so your comment before about it helping with data usage was a moot point because there was no information AT ALL to base such ideas on.
Im not quite sure why you're confused with my usage of the term "recent" either, the entire conversation i've used the word to reference the time in which data usage became an issue...i haven't changed that stance, so what is confusing?
- 08-02-2011, 06:20 PM #29
Sean, until you have some real evidence of AT&T getting rid of grandfathered unlimited data plans anytime soon I will not further debate this with you. AT this point in time the only thing that AT&T is doing is throttling data to the top 5% of their users, nothing more.....
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- 08-02-2011, 06:56 PM #32
Now you are just baiting me. Sorry, but until I see something on AT&T's website that specifically states that they are removing grandfathered unlimited data plans it doesn't matter at this time and doesn't warrant further discussion...
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- 08-03-2011, 09:48 AM #37
A high usage customer would obviously exceed their normal data plan limited (2 or 4, whichever you use)...after that though, since they charge a fairly high premium (@ $10/GB), i'd say it could easily come to that level eventually...as they start weeding out the extremely high data users on unlimited plans and start working it down further and further, eventually they'll get to a point where people have no real benefit to having these "grandfathered data plans", if it lasts that long at all...(i doubt it will personally).
It's easy for them to force your hand when they are not obligated to you at all...
- 08-03-2011, 12:54 PM #38
Just to throw a little information out there.
When they switched from unlimited to the 2gb max plan, all of the information provided to sales reps direct from AT&T said that 95% percent of people use less than 2GB. So therefore that 5% that you guys are throwing around is everyone using more than 2GB.
Which makes a marketing sense for AT&T. Sure, you can keep your unlimited plan but if you go over 2GB we will just slow it down (like T-Mobile does). If you dont want to be slowed down, switch to the tiered plan and pay $10/GB that you go over.
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- 08-04-2011, 12:10 PM #39
Hate to say i told you so...but...
Weíve gotten word from some readers that AT&T is moving forward and removing unlimited plans for users who jailbreak iPhones to tether or hotspot off of AT&Tís unlimited data plans (for those grandfathered):
I was just informed that as of Thursday August 11th 2011, if you use MyWi or any tethering on the phone or using the phone as a modem, AT&T will automatically change ur unlimited plan to a 2Gb tethering plan for 45 dollars without the customers consent. This is for those who received emails or texts about the use of tethering without an AT&T tethering plan.
An AT&T spokesperson has confirmed this, but not August 11th as a hard cutoff date, saying:
Earlier this year, we began sending letters, emails, and text messages to a small number of smartphone customers who use their devices for tethering but arenít on our required tethering plan. Our goal here is fairness for all of our customers. (This impacts a only small percentage of our smartphone customer base.)
The letters outline three choices:
1) Stop tethering and keep their current plan (including grandfathered unlimited plan)
2) Proactively call AT&T or visit our stores and move to the required tethering plan
3) Do nothing and weíll go ahead and add the tethering plan on their behalf ó after the dated noted in their customer notification
Is this fair of AT&T? Well, it is certainly fair that people pay for the data that they are using and unlimited tethering turns your iPhone into a data sucking monster. AT&Tís service to others is obviously affected, so they have to do something about it and this seems like a reasonable solution. The obvious retort is that some may have purchased their unlimited plans back when unlimited really meant unlimited, jailbroken or not.
The matter doesnít appear up for debate however, MiWi users, get your free data this week and hope AT&T doesnít decide to move you over early.
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- 08-18-2011, 11:58 AM #49
Thought I'd interject here. AT&T has no plans that Ive been made aware of to take away unlimited data after a contract expires. None. Zero. Nada
People out of contract are at a higher risk of churn, it wouldn't make sense to actively kick them out the door. It would make sense to show them the benefits they're getting by staying with AT&T, a la Unlimited Data.
- 08-18-2011, 01:17 PM #50