1. SmartFah's Avatar
    Marketing has nothing to do with it. Once you see or pick up the device, you'll either love it, hate it, or be willing to give it a try.

    I bought mine on launch day without ever seeing it first. When I unboxed it, I was like whoa! Maybe I should have gotten the regular 6, this thing is huge! But I adapted to it pretty quick, and this is my new normal. I love the size, & don't plan on going back to a smaller device anytime soon.

    One thing I do find weird is that every single time I see someone else with a 6+ or Galaxy Note, my initial reaction is always, that thing is huge! Even though it's the same size as my phone. For whatever reason my 6+ doesn't look huge to me. Weird.
    01-24-2015 05:57 PM
  2. hatchettjack's Avatar
    Its amazing how much we adapt to new things! The 6+ is perfect size for me!


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    01-24-2015 06:03 PM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Marketing has nothing to do with it.
    Interesting theory, considering the amount of money they spend on marketing.
    01-25-2015 03:00 PM
  4. garakhan's Avatar
    Apple marketing is brain washing everyone. Good thing we have other smartphone manufacturers to awaken all of us.

    Long time ago, Apple came along and said we can make phone better. And they did. Much easier to use for the masses. Familiar and intuitive user interfaces, less malware, convenient form factor (smaller and thinner) and no keyboard. iPhone wasn't the first but they improved everything and we loved it. And it continued to improve for a few years except for giving us glass and aluminum case.

    Half a decade later, they continue to sell on UI (user interface) and the look. Every year Apple touts thinner, smaller and easy to use UI. And all Apple fans loved it and continue to love it. Smartphone has gotten better and people from other countries start using more smart features on smartphone and added more functions. Apple said those are not features but gimmicks. Apple has become VERY STAGNATE. They sell Samsung Galaxy S3 (2012 model) specification hardware on iPhone 6 with slightly better UI and charges same money as Samsung Galaxy S5. Apple market shrunk as a result except in North America and Europe. (You can't use 2014 Q3 & Q4 sales results alone to justify Apple market is growing, look at what is their market share in total global market size) Apple focus on thin metal case and legal lawsuits to change the market place. It didn't work except in US. Where Apple won on cosmetic and Samsung won on Apple stealing LTE technology, but Obama said it's OK and pardoned continue importation of iPhone 4 and 4S from China for US sales. Too bad America won't have moral justifications to fight against piracy overseas anymore.

    Until last year, Apple said NFC is dead and iBeacon is the technology. And almost all US and many UK journalists went along with that. But this year iPhone has an ApplePay based on NFC (what did some journalists call NFC? Nobody F****** Cares? Haha!) But Apple had audacity to bring limited NFC capability to iPhone 6s so they can make more money, but not let us use all of NFC capabilities. BTW, NFC payment has been used quite well in many other countries for many years, and even in US for toll payment and such. Apple just used Apple fans as hostage to get their market placement. This is just one of the features that Apple said was a gimmick.

    There are much more than this, we (most of in US and some in Europe) just are NOT scientifically logical any more. Don't even get me started on metal case. And replaceable battery, expandable memory, higher resolution, better displays, better cameras, nevermind...

    I am from Silicon Valley, grew up here and worked at many SV companies... All my engineer friends uses Android phones, few years ago it was mostly Motorolas and before that Crackberries (sorry Blackberries) unless they work for Apple. Obviously we must be biased and don't know what we are talking about, just a bunch of geeks.

    We sincerely hope Apple wake up and Apple fans see what Apple is becoming for what it is, so Apple can make something great and revolutionary again. Don't be obstructionist for corporate profit and user retention. iOS marketshare is important otherwise you become a dodo bird. Make something we can be proud of because others will just flock to it without justifying it by fanboys. Nobody had to tell anyone to go buy iPhone 3 or iPhone 4, people just did.

    iPhone 6+ looks great, not enough to compete with the best of Androids or even Yotaphone 2. And Samsung probably won't sue Apple for copying their phablets, but they are learning how our system works. Some day soon Apple will have to admit metal case is a bad engineering. They try to do that with iPhone 5C but then who wants Galaxy S2 in Apple plastic? Again, iPhone 6 + is a definite step in right direction. May be there should be a 12 step process for Apple to admit something so they can get better. Hurry up, it isn't just Koreans and Japanese, Chinese are coming too.
    01-25-2015 04:03 PM
  5. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Blah blah blah...I'm a toolbag.
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    01-25-2015 05:40 PM
  6. jakdillard's Avatar
    So your plan is to invest millions into satisfying the minority with a name that wouldn't pacify them in the first place? Do you also think it's wise to spend millions researching a way to make a door into a window instead of just choosing to sell a window to people who want windows and a door to those that want doors?
    Yeah yeah door window cliche, no what I was originally try to say was I don't believe that the 6+ should have been released with the 6 I think that it should have been released in its own presentation as what it is. Its a phablet all day everyday by the internet tech blogs definition of a phablet, and since Apple decided to jump in this category of devices I just have an opinion that they should have innovated this category instead of making the "oh **** people really want bigger lets get something out" 6+. I mean seriously I get that Apple listened and gave its consumers a larger display with the 6 but lets face it when it comes to the 6+ there is not really anything that much "+" about it. I own a 6+ and I love it, but why is it that the main difference between 6 and 6 is a larger 1080p display and OIS for still photos oh and a UI that rotates upside-down (the latter being something I doubt we'd ever use). I almost feel like this is a sort of trial device kind of like the 5c and if its successful then it will be continued if not then "at least we tried", but this is just my opinion if there are facts to back up why Apple does what it does I'll gladly read them.
    01-26-2015 11:11 AM
  7. jakdillard's Avatar
    Also why was this thread moved
    01-26-2015 11:12 AM
  8. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Also why was this thread moved
    Because it's an Armchair CEO perspective.
    01-26-2015 02:07 PM
  9. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Yeah yeah door window cliche, no what I was originally try to say was I don't believe that the 6+ should have been released with the 6 I think that it should have been released in its own presentation as what it is. Its a phablet all day everyday by the internet tech blogs definition of a phablet, and since Apple decided to jump in this category of devices I just have an opinion that they should have innovated this category instead of making the "oh **** people really want bigger lets get something out" 6+. I mean seriously I get that Apple listened and gave its consumers a larger display with the 6 but lets face it when it comes to the 6+ there is not really anything that much "+" about it. I own a 6+ and I love it, but why is it that the main difference between 6 and 6 is a larger 1080p display and OIS for still photos oh and a UI that rotates upside-down (the latter being something I doubt we'd ever use). I almost feel like this is a sort of trial device kind of like the 5c and if its successful then it will be continued if not then "at least we tried", but this is just my opinion if there are facts to back up why Apple does what it does I'll gladly read them.
    Facts to back up why Apple does it? Are you joking? Apple does it to make a buck. They are a business, and the only focus is to make money selling boat loads of iPhones.

    There's nothing "trial" about this phone, it's a new product, with a larger screen, new features and a polished set of existing features as well as the UI/OS.

    You act as if these manufacturers should be pumping out totally different products every season with totally unseen features/tech crammed into each one. You have an unrealistic view of how development works...and you "blame" Apple for releasing "trial" products...which is funny in itself because they constantly give the consumer what they want, enough to sell ridiculous amounts of devices, and yet some how they're doing something "wrong"?

    I wish the new bimmer I just bought my wife got 200mpg's, had track worthy performance, and could drive itself when we weren't in the mood to do so. I don't sit here and blame BMW for not making this happen because it's not a realistic expectation...nor do I sit here and pretend this car we bought is some kind of trial. The differences between this one and last years model are almost non-existent, yet it is an amazingly fantastic car, and it is improved in ways.

    Apple at least produces a new model every year with significant and noticeable changes...regardless of what nay sayers say.
    01-26-2015 04:47 PM
  10. Premium1's Avatar
    Remember when 4.3" screens were called "huge" and nobody would ever use something that big? My how times have changed.


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    01-26-2015 09:43 PM
  11. jakdillard's Avatar
    Facts to back up why Apple does it? Are you joking? Apple does it to make a buck. They are a business, and the only focus is to make money selling boat loads of iPhones.

    There's nothing "trial" about this phone, it's a new product, with a larger screen, new features and a polished set of existing features as well as the UI/OS.

    You act as if these manufacturers should be pumping out totally different products every season with totally unseen features/tech crammed into each one. You have an unrealistic view of how development works...and you "blame" Apple for releasing "trial" products...which is funny in itself because they constantly give the consumer what they want, enough to sell ridiculous amounts of devices, and yet some how they're doing something "wrong"?

    I wish the new bimmer I just bought my wife got 200mpg's, had track worthy performance, and could drive itself when we weren't in the mood to do so. I don't sit here and blame BMW for not making this happen because it's not a realistic expectation...nor do I sit here and pretend this car we bought is some kind of trial. The differences between this one and last years model are almost non-existent, yet it is an amazingly fantastic car, and it is improved in ways.

    Apple at least produces a new model every year with significant and noticeable changes...regardless of what nay sayers say.
    Not joking so serious, where are your facts ? I can say "they do it to make money" but my original perspective is still the same I think that if marketed a little different and released a little later the 6+ would definitely be more than just a bigger 6 with OIS and a rotating home screen. As far as it being a trial again I love my device and hope that it will see future generations but I'm not going to pretend that the iPhone "c" models got refreshed along with the 6, and I don't "blame" Apple for doing this I'm just saying where are the facts that they don't? Also wouldn't my understanding about "saturated test products" show that I have some form of a realistic view of development?

    "Apple at least produces a new model every year with significant and noticeable changes...regardless of what nay sayers say." Ok .....?
    01-26-2015 10:27 PM
  12. jakdillard's Avatar
    Because it's an Armchair CEO perspective.
    First time here don't know what that means?
    01-26-2015 10:29 PM
  13. natasftw's Avatar
    Not joking so serious, where are your facts ? I can say "they do it to make money" but my original perspective is still the same I think that if marketed a little different and released a little later the 6+ would definitely be more than just a bigger 6 with OIS and a rotating home screen.
    Isn't it a TAD childish to demand facts while you're doing nothing more than rant? You're not offering facts. Don't think you're in a position to demand them. You offer a poorly thought out perspective. You should expect nothing other than perspective in return.

    There's some facts for you.

    I'm not sure you know what a cliche is. You certainly didn't use the word correctly up above.

    Your position is Apple should have invested heavily into marketing, research, and development to sell more of these devices. You're making an assumption that they would have a worthwhile ROI on this investment. The device sold faster than Apple could produce the device. Marketing couldn't fix this. That's not just a fact. It's such simple common sense that you shouldn't be attempting to argue the problem is in marketing. That's the act of a fool. If you want to point at an error Apple made in that regard, they should have invested more heavily into manufacturing. That's where they had the opportunity to make more money. Even if we play in your make believe world where there were more devices available than sold, we'd need to show that the increase in R&D and marketing would be worth the investment. You've done nothing to show this other than throw a tantrum about the way it was marketed.

    If you want people to treat you like an adult and give you grown up arguments, stop acting like a child.
    01-26-2015 10:44 PM
  14. iEd's Avatar
    Not joking so serious, where are your facts ? I can say "they do it to make money" but my original perspective is still the same I think that if marketed a little different and released a little later the 6+ would definitely be more than just a bigger 6 with OIS and a rotating home screen. As far as it being a trial again I love my device and hope that it will see future generations but I'm not going to pretend that the iPhone "c" models got refreshed along with the 6, and I don't "blame" Apple for doing this I'm just saying where are the facts that they don't? Also wouldn't my understanding about "saturated test products" show that I have some form of a realistic view of development?

    "Apple at least produces a new model every year with significant and noticeable changes...regardless of what nay sayers say." Ok .....?
    Maybe you're looking at the 6 Plus the wrong way.
    That's all it needs to be. A bigger iPhone.
    As far as marketing. All you have to do is say
    "New iPhone" and folks line up. It's pretty automatic. Been that way for almost 8 years.
    This year Apple said "New bigger iPhone but 2 of them. Same thing folks lined up. Again they are making billions. Customers are satisfied.
    So what's the problem?
    01-26-2015 11:01 PM
  15. jakdillard's Avatar
    Isn't it a TAD childish to demand facts while you're doing nothing more than rant? You're not offering facts. Don't think you're in a position to demand them. You offer a poorly thought out perspective. You should expect nothing other than perspective in return.

    There's some facts for you.

    I'm not sure you know what a cliche is. You certainly didn't use the word correctly up above.

    Your position is Apple should have invested heavily into marketing, research, and development to sell more of these devices. You're making an assumption that they would have a worthwhile ROI on this investment. The device sold faster than Apple could produce the device. Marketing couldn't fix this. That's not just a fact. It's such simple common sense that you shouldn't be attempting to argue the problem is in marketing. That's the act of a fool. If you want to point at an error Apple made in that regard, they should have invested more heavily into manufacturing. That's where they had the opportunity to make more money. Even if we play in your make believe world where there were more devices available than sold, we'd need to show that the increase in R&D and marketing would be worth the investment. You've done nothing to show this other than throw a tantrum about the way it was marketed.

    If you want people to treat you like an adult and give you grown up arguments, stop acting like a child.
    Something funny, I haven't attacked nobody in this thread and I won't, I'm not demanding anything, throwing a tantrum, or ranting, and my position is a consumer who is satisfied with the purchase that I made. "Even if we play in your make believe world", "If you want people to treat you like an adult and give you grown up arguments, stop acting like a child." Where is that coming from? Also "It's such simple common sense that you shouldn't be attempting to argue the problem is in marketing" who's arguing its an opinion I never said there was a problem, I asked or stated an opinion "IF" it was marketed differently so many people would have bought a 6+ just to return it saying that its to big for whatever ______ to buy the 6 instead. I really just wonder if the 6 and 6+ were marketed differently would the average consumer know exactly what device they want. "I'm not sure you know what a cliche is. You certainly didn't use the word correctly up above." I read this then "googled" the definition I believe I used it right.
    01-26-2015 11:11 PM
  16. jakdillard's Avatar
    Maybe you're looking at the 6 Plus the wrong way.
    That's all it needs to be. A bigger iPhone.
    As far as marketing. All you have to do is say
    "New iPhone" and folks line up. It's pretty automatic. Been that way for almost 8 years.
    This year Apple said "New bigger iPhone but 2 of them. Same thing folks lined up. Again they are making billions. Customers are satisfied.
    So what's the problem?
    Who knows you're probably right and there was no problem at all ... or was it ? nah seriously it was just a "if" discussion.
    01-26-2015 11:13 PM
  17. iEd's Avatar
    Who knows you're probably right and there was no problem at all ... or was it ? nah seriously it was just a "if" discussion.
    The only problem would be if Apple were a failing company.
    01-26-2015 11:27 PM
  18. jakdillard's Avatar
    The only problem would be if Apple were a failing company.
    I know right, but they are not, never suggested that they were, in fact I use a couple of their products.
    01-26-2015 11:33 PM
  19. Jrome.brooks's Avatar
    I enjoy the plus my hands are big and long and I can type and see things normal everyone is not the same size and im glad that apple is accommodating to the bigger crowd
    01-27-2015 12:58 PM
  20. jakdillard's Avatar
    My hands are large too and that's what drove me to get an iPhone is the fact that they finally made them bigger
    01-27-2015 02:39 PM
  21. natasftw's Avatar
    Something funny, I haven't attacked nobody in this thread and I won't, I'm not demanding anything, throwing a tantrum, or ranting, and my position is a consumer who is satisfied with the purchase that I made.
    "an insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right." Whether you're passive aggressively suggesting we need to provide facts to refute your self-labeled weak opinion or you're boldly stating you're owed facts, you're making a demand. The entire post is a rant about how it was marketed. Your position is irrelevant and your claim is a tad dishonest. If you were as satisfied as you suggest, this thread wouldn't exist.

    "Even if we play in your make believe world", "If you want people to treat you like an adult and give you grown up arguments, stop acting like a child." Where is that coming from?
    It's coming from your general posts having the substance of "NUH UH. IT NEEDED TO BE MARKETED DIFFERENTLY!!1!" You've offered absolutely zero substance in any of your points.

    Also "It's such simple common sense that you shouldn't be attempting to argue the problem is in marketing" who's arguing its an opinion I never said there was a problem, I asked or stated an opinion "IF" it was marketed differently so many people would have bought a 6+ just to return it saying that its to big for whatever ______ to buy the 6 instead.
    Do we need to give you a dictionary for "argue" and "problem" as well? Your posts have been an argument throughout the thread. You posed a situation and stated where you believed there were problems with it. You do understand problem and opinion aren't mutually exclusive, correct? If so, you'd know it's foolish to claim you were stating an opinion as if that shows you don't believe there is a problem.

    I really just wonder if the 6 and 6+ were marketed differently would the average consumer know exactly what device they want.
    If you need Apple to tell you what you want, your opinion really isn't worthwhile in the first place. The crowd that would choose a device because it's called a "phablet" rather than a "large phone" are fickle enough to render your entire point moot. This isn't something intelligent you're pointing out. You're making a baseless claim and being surprised that people don't think it's anything other than nonsense.

    "I'm not sure you know what a cliche is. You certainly didn't use the word correctly up above." I read this then "googled" the definition I believe I used it right.
    The word you were looking for is "analogy." I gave you an analogy. If you'd like to show your correct usage of "cliche," you're more than welcome to show me how it was a cliche. However, you'll need to understand the point I was making first. It clearly went over your head if you believe it was a cliche.
    01-27-2015 07:20 PM
  22. wbeard385's Avatar
    It's a nice phone as is the 6. Apple gave us a choice of two nice phones this time.


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    01-27-2015 08:26 PM
  23. jakdillard's Avatar
    "an insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right." Whether you're passive aggressively suggesting we need to provide facts to refute your self-labeled weak opinion or you're boldly stating you're owed facts, you're making a demand. The entire post is a rant about how it was marketed. Your position is irrelevant and your claim is a tad dishonest. If you were as satisfied as you suggest, this thread wouldn't exist.


    It's coming from your general posts having the substance of "NUH UH. IT NEEDED TO BE MARKETED DIFFERENTLY!!1!" You've offered absolutely zero substance in any of your points.


    Do we need to give you a dictionary for "argue" and "problem" as well? Your posts have been an argument throughout the thread. You posed a situation and stated where you believed there were problems with it. You do understand problem and opinion aren't mutually exclusive, correct? If so, you'd know it's foolish to claim you were stating an opinion as if that shows you don't believe there is a problem.



    If you need Apple to tell you what you want, your opinion really isn't worthwhile in the first place. The crowd that would choose a device because it's called a "phablet" rather than a "large phone" are fickle enough to render your entire point moot. This isn't something intelligent you're pointing out. You're making a baseless claim and being surprised that people don't think it's anything other than nonsense.



    The word you were looking for is "analogy." I gave you an analogy. If you'd like to show your correct usage of "cliche," you're more than welcome to show me how it was a cliche. However, you'll need to understand the point I was making first. It clearly went over your head if you believe it was a cliche.
    Dude i didn't even bother reading all of this but I can tell you that I am satisfied with my phone, and if you look up the definition of cliche you find that I think your "analogy" was very "cliche" in other words I was saying you were "beating a dead horse" like we're doing now so let's just agree to disagree.
    01-27-2015 08:55 PM
  24. HAWK's Avatar
    Two different sized phones for two different type of people.... Options are good
    01-27-2015 09:53 PM
  25. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Dude i didn't even bother reading all of this but I can tell you that I am satisfied with my phone, and if you look up the definition of cliche you find that I think your "analogy" was very "cliche" in other words I was saying you were "beating a dead horse" like we're doing now so let's just agree to disagree.
    If you're not going to read the retorts, move on from the discussion. That is a pitiful and lazy cop out from someone who knows they are already defeated in terms of the debate.

    Not joking so serious, where are your facts ? I can say "they do it to make money" but my original perspective is still the same I think that if marketed a little different and released a little later the 6+ would definitely be more than just a bigger 6 with OIS and a rotating home screen. As far as it being a trial again I love my device and hope that it will see future generations but I'm not going to pretend that the iPhone "c" models got refreshed along with the 6, and I don't "blame" Apple for doing this I'm just saying where are the facts that they don't? Also wouldn't my understanding about "saturated test products" show that I have some form of a realistic view of development?
    Where are my facts? Really? My facts are in the constant flow of news reports of the record breaking sales numbers Apple made following the release of the 6 and 6 Plus...that's just one source of FACTS.

    You still fail to grasp what Apple is trying to do with the 6 Plus. They don't WANT it to be a different level of device...they want it to be an iPhone that is appealing to consumers who want a bigger screen. They're not going to cannibalize iPad sales knowingly by creating another category in their line up, nor are they going to isolate iPhone 6 buyers by making a "step up" device with the Plus "line" seem like the defined higher end choice.

    This harps back to the same reason the Macbook Pro and Macbook Air are marketed the way they are...Apple doesn't make you feel the Air is the "entry" model, they market the hardware as a different option with focus in other arenas (ultra light weight and small size)...but at the same time, they make sure that potential MBP buyers feel similar concern is being paid to that device as well...making it smaller and lighter.

    In fact, if you go through Apple's entire lineup of products, each and every device has a consumer base focus, but none of products are pushed as "better" than the other, just different. And they've been monumentally successful with this business tactic. They sell unbelievable amounts of hardware across the spectrum, and they retain customer satisfaction levels beyond ANY other company most years (the only competition being Amazon lately in terms of satisfaction numbers).

    And somehow, you feel changing their approach would be optimal based on the idea of further segregating devices based on their abilities, essentially placing one above another as a defined "higher" level option.

    "Apple at least produces a new model every year with significant and noticeable changes...regardless of what nay sayers say." Ok .....?
    If this is your level of input, why even bother to participate? It's like asking a kid why they did something and they respond "Because."
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    01-29-2015 10:25 AM
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