1. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I'm surprised nobody has really mentioned the services that Apple gives you to go along with your purchase. iCloud, iWork apps, very low costing iCloud storage space, etc. Not to mention how buying their different products gives you easy integration.

    Why should Apple make a low cost phone to penetrate into those markets and give them all those services without having paid a price like the rest of us? Doing that would probably move their profits by a hair and nothing more. We're their target consumer.
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    12-08-2014 12:49 PM
  2. HAWK's Avatar
    Why Apple does this I'm not sure. But I'll agree with Sean in his points as they seem valid to me


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    12-08-2014 01:13 PM
  3. A895's Avatar
    You clearly don't understand what the phrase "degrade the brand" means. The brand is the whole, not any particular piece. When the brand represents luxury tier products in 100% of their product spectrum, introducing a low cost phone strays outside of that spectrum, and cheapens the brand. This isn't a tough concept to grasp.
    Again luxury is your perception, it isn't real luxury.
    12-08-2014 01:15 PM
  4. A895's Avatar
    Smaller margins will hurt them. Look at their stock price compared to when they announce quarterly profits with and without a decreased profit margin. When their profit margin takes a dip, their stock price and market cap takes a hit.

    And another problem with creating a super low cost iPhone is still brand perception. I know you don't really believe that this is a thing, but if Apple were to create a $100 (or even $300) iPhone for the third world market, those phone would be sh*t just like $100 Android phones. Maybe they could get more market share. But if those third world customers move up to the middle class and can afford a "real" iPhone, they won't want one. For a couple of reasons I can think of. One, they won't want to buy another phone from the same brand as their cheap iPhone because the cheap iPhone was sh*t. Why would they want to stick with that brand? Two, they would want a different brand to show off their new middle class status. They won't want the same phone their still poor friends and family have. And if Apple were to drastically cut their profit margins to sell a "good" iPhone to the third world at a much lower price point, see paragraph 1.

    Maybe you think it would be worthwhile for them in the long run. Maybe so, maybe not. But I'm going to put more trust in Tim Cook and the rest of the Apple executive team and board and that they are selecting the best path for Apple, than I am in some anonymous person posting on a forum. And as for now the market and investors also agrees with Tim Cook's approach.
    How does Apple making low cost phones mean they will suck?
    12-08-2014 01:16 PM
  5. A895's Avatar
    I'm surprised nobody has really mentioned the services that Apple gives you to go along with your purchase. iCloud, iWork apps, very low costing iCloud storage space, etc. Not to mention how buying their different products gives you easy integration.

    Why should Apple make a low cost phone to penetrate into those markets and give them all those services without having paid a price like the rest of us? Doing that would probably move their profits by a hair and nothing more. We're their target consumer.
    We don't know for sure how they could do it, but that isn't a valid reason not to do it. Spreading your brand into more markets shouldn't be a detriment if the company itself is very profitable.
    12-08-2014 01:20 PM
  6. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I feel as if ppl are against this idea BC it boils down to a brand & status symbol. If apple made a low end device "iPhone", the ppl who buy Iphones for a status symbol, wouldn't feel per say high class anymore BC their company is charting into the low end market.
    Have you ever been to a sporting event? Where do all the fights happen? In the cheaper seats which primarily low-income people buy. Don't you feel that that cheapens the area of that stadium even more? Go sit in the pavilion (bleacher section) of Dodger stadium and see how you like it there with all the drunk cholos. If you're able to afford a ticket to sit field level in the yellow seats, you're going to buy that ticket.
    12-08-2014 01:21 PM
  7. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    We don't know for sure how they could do it, but that isn't a valid reason not to do it. Spreading your brand into more markets shouldn't be a detriment if the company itself is very profitable.
    I agree with that. However you're wanting Apple to make a sacrifice in hardware to make a phone low-cost for that segment of consumers. There is indeed a perception and level of quality Apple would like to maintain and be known for. They get hammered now for the products they make. As soon as they make a phone with cheaper materials, no matter if it's just for a certain segment of consumers, they'll be bulldozed by people saying they sold out to make extra profit.
    12-08-2014 01:25 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    Have you ever been to a sporting event? Where do all the fights happen? In the cheaper seats which primarily low-income people buy. Don't you feel that that cheapens the area of that stadium even more? Go sit in the pavilion (bleacher section) of Dodger stadium and see how you like it there with all the drunk cholos. If you're able to afford a ticket to sit field level in the yellow seats, you're going to buy that ticket.
    Wow, that is a way to look down on people.
    12-08-2014 01:27 PM
  9. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Wow, that is a way to look down on people.
    Unfortunately what he said is true.


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    12-08-2014 01:28 PM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Wow, that is a way to look down on people.
    I tend to look down at men in their 20's and 30's that get all liquored up at sporting events and get into brawls.

    I would look down at a company who all of a sudden would go in reverse to please a small percentage of people.
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    12-08-2014 01:31 PM
  11. Smply_Rcklss's Avatar
    Have you ever been to a sporting event? Where do all the fights happen? In the cheaper seats which primarily low-income people buy. Don't you feel that that cheapens the area of that stadium even more? Go sit in the pavilion (bleacher section) of Dodger stadium and see how you like it there with all the drunk cholos. If you're able to afford a ticket to sit field level in the yellow seats, you're going to buy that ticket.
    I guess that is a good way too put it.
    12-08-2014 01:42 PM
  12. A895's Avatar
    I tend to look down at men in their 20's and 30's that get all liquored up at sporting events and get into brawls.

    I would look down at a company who all of a sudden would go in reverse to please a small percentage of people.
    How is billions of people a small percentage?
    12-08-2014 01:52 PM
  13. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    How is billions of people a small percentage?
    So suddenly Apple would gain billions of customers with a low-end iPhone?
    12-08-2014 02:03 PM
  14. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    How does Apple making low cost phones mean they will suck?
    Because with current tech it's not possible to make a low-cost smartphone that doesn't suck. It will suck in at least some regards because compromises have to be made to keep the cost low. A worse camera whether that's megapixels or auto-focus ability or whatever. Or a slower CPU/GPU so that animations lag. Take away LTE and just live with slow speeds because those markets don't have LTE anyway. A lower resolution screen that is viewable from fewer angles or in sunlight. Drop the all metal and glass construction. There are myriad compromises that would have to be made. I've yet to see a review of a low cost Windows or Android phone that doesn't say something like "it's ok for its price point but makes sacrifices x, y, and z". Those sacrifices would make the phone suck.
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    12-08-2014 02:17 PM
  15. A895's Avatar
    So suddenly Apple would gain billions of customers with a low-end iPhone?
    Millions at least, there is a lot of potential for success with a low end iPhone.
    12-08-2014 02:34 PM
  16. A895's Avatar
    Because with current tech it's not possible to make a low-cost smartphone that doesn't suck. It will suck in at least some regards because compromises have to be made to keep the cost low. A worse camera whether that's megapixels or auto-focus ability or whatever. Or a slower CPU/GPU so that animations lag. Take away LTE and just live with slow speeds because those markets don't have LTE anyway. A lower resolution screen that is viewable from fewer angles or in sunlight. Drop the all metal and glass construction. There are myriad compromises that would have to be made. I've yet to see a review of a low cost Windows or Android phone that doesn't say something like "it's ok for its price point but makes sacrifices x, y, and z". Those sacrifices would make the phone suck.
    Any low cost phone makes sacrifices does not mean it will suck.
    12-08-2014 02:34 PM
  17. iEd's Avatar
    Any low cost phone makes sacrifices does not mean it will suck.
    Obviously sacrifices Apple isn't willing to make.


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    12-08-2014 02:40 PM
  18. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You take these responses personally, which is hilarious to me.

    Explain to me how these products are NOT luxury products...

    I guess taking a luxury condo tower and turning the bottom 5 floors into low income housing would be a totally understandable move to you based on your logic. LOL!

    I'm still kind of shocked that you, for some reason, feel that every company strives to control every section of every market related to their chosen product. Kind of seems weird given the success of other luxury product companies out there who do the EXACT same thing as Apple, and experience similar success.
    12-08-2014 02:43 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Obviously sacrifices Apple isn't willing to make.


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    We don't know that, they could very well make a low end device next year. I wanted to see why would they not do it.
    12-08-2014 02:50 PM
  20. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    We don't know that, they could very well make a low end device next year. I wanted to see why would they not do it.
    No, you wanted to argue with anyone that presented evidence or theories on why they don't...and every year someone says "Maybe they'll make one next year"...over 7 years later, still holding strong.
    12-08-2014 02:54 PM
  21. A895's Avatar
    You take these responses personally, which is hilarious to me.

    Explain to me how these products are NOT luxury products...

    I guess taking a luxury condo tower and turning the bottom 5 floors into low income housing would be a totally understandable move to you based on your logic. LOL!

    I'm still kind of shocked that you, for some reason, feel that every company strives to control every section of every market related to their chosen product. Kind of seems weird given the success of other luxury product companies out there who do the EXACT same thing as Apple, and experience similar success.
    They arene luxury products, luxury products are high priced items made of the most high quality materials. You may think an iPhone is that but it isn't, aluminum is the cheapest toughest metal, plastic on the outer casing isn't premium materials, and the bending problem at the beginning isn't qualities of luxury device. Last but not least, an iPhone is available in all first world markets no problem. Apple is the biggest smartphone manufacturer in the U.S. popularity is the exact opposite of real luxury products.

    And FYI, I don't take any of this personally if anything people around here are taking the suggestion that Apple could make a low cost iPhone personally.

    Kind of similar to how people took offense when the iPhone went prepaid. It didn't devalue Apple then like people said it was.
    12-08-2014 02:55 PM
  22. A895's Avatar
    No, you wanted to argue with anyone that presented evidence or theories on why they don't...and every year someone says "Maybe they'll make one next year"...over 7 years later, still holding strong.
    No one has presented evidence at all, all that has been presented is personal perceptions and beliefs. And there hasn't been any arguing at all, just discussion, it seems YOU want to argue.
    12-08-2014 02:56 PM
  23. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    No one has presented evidence at all, all that has been presented is personal perceptions and beliefs. And there hasn't been any arguing at all, just discussion, it seems YOU want to argue.
    Look at the way Apple presents itself. When you walk into an Apple Store and the way displays are set up and presented. All the white. It all looks clean. Whether aluminum is cheap or not, look at how well it blends in with presentation. Even the website. You can call what I'm saying here perception. But it is in fact a fact which is evidence enough.

    How low would you like to see Apple put an iPhone at? Two to three hundred (without subsidy)? Do you not see how watered down the product would have to be? If aluminum isn't as luxurious as you're pointing out, then why haven't other phone manufacturers followed suit for the most part? Look at how nice the HTC One stands out from other Android phones. Apple is going to put an iPhone with reduced materials alongside their other ones? It would stick out like a sore thumb. It just doesn't fit in.
    12-08-2014 03:08 PM
  24. iEd's Avatar
    No one has presented evidence at all, all that has been presented is personal perceptions and beliefs. And there hasn't been any arguing at all, just discussion, it seems YOU want to argue.
    What you are presenting is your opinion also.
    How can we present anything but our opinions. No one here is a Apple executive to have evidence to the contrary of the topic of this thread.
    What evidence could ever be produced?


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    12-08-2014 03:12 PM
  25. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    What you are presenting is your opinion also.
    How can we present anything but our opinions. No one here is a Apple executive to have evidence to the contrary of the topic of this thread.
    What evidence could ever be produced?


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    That little tidbit in which Apple hasn't felt a need to produce a low-end iPhone in 7 years is a good way to start. Apparently the OP doesn't feel that that is evidence enough lol
    12-08-2014 03:15 PM
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