Do you even care about nfc?

**jrsharp70** · 09-12-2012, 09:48 PM

I have it on my phone. First thing I did was turn it off.
(Edit: I posted a CNET article about the suckiness of NFC below)

- I don't want things that I walk by talking to my phone randomly, feeding Skynet information.
- I don't want battery drain from something I'll encounter once every month.
- The only thing NFC is good for yet is paying without a card... no thanks Skynet, I'll just pull out my wallet, which I carry anyway.
- If I want you to have my contact info, I can walk up to you and let our phones make love... or I can send you a vcard from anywhere, in roughly the same amount of time.
- There is already a near-field communication that lets me control exactly what I send and receive, it's called bluetooth... and that one already talks to my headphones and car. (If it could talk to my girlfriend for me when I get home, it'd be even better).

And finally... Apple didn't put it in their device, so no one will adopt it anyway.

I win.

**kilofoxtrot** · 09-12-2012, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by jrsharp70

And finally... Apple didn't put it in their device, so no one will adopt it anyway.

I win.

Dude.. these are on almost every checkout lane I go through these days. Most of my credit cards have the Tap-To-Pay logo on them.

I use it with my credit cards and phone all the time. Its already adopted. Big Time.

**jrsharp70** · 09-12-2012, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by kilofox

Dude.. these are on almost every checkout lane I go through these days. Most of my credit cards have the Tap-To-Pay logo on them.

I use it with my credit cards and phone all the time. Its already adopted. Big Time.

I lose?

**Terrigno** · 09-12-2012, 10:24 PM

What phone do you have it on? An Android? And are you even an IPhone owner yet? lol

**jrsharp70** · 09-12-2012, 10:29 PM

I've owned an iPhone, iPad, MacBook, and iMac. I've spent ~$1,000 on iTunes.

And Apple drives the entire tech market... I'm interested in how they will make the competition better.

I'd say even if none of the above were true, posting on the forum while not currently typing on an iPhone isn't a crime.

**jrsharp70** · 09-12-2012, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by kilofox

Dude.. these are on almost every checkout lane I go through these days. Most of my credit cards have the Tap-To-Pay logo on them.

I use it with my credit cards and phone all the time. Its already adopted. Big Time.

**Jet300** · 09-12-2012, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by jrsharp70

[url=http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57441842-94/is-nfc-killing-google-wallet/]Is NFC killing Google Wallet? | Mobile - CNET News[/url]

The article is 3 months old and most of the arguments are invalid. Its unreal how fast things chnage in the tech world Google Wallet now accepts and links to ANY credit card. The proliferation of NFC chips on Android / WP devices is gaining traction.

Just like Kilo said, that PayPass logo is found more and more places ... Heck I pay at the water / soda machine by just touching the phone. Money comes right out of my checking account instantly. Pretty amazing never having to dig out my wallet to grab a card to swipe.

**TreyDaPrince** · 09-12-2012, 11:34 PM

I think I'm somewhere in between. I don't necessarily need it but it would be a nice feature to have in the event you left your credit card at home or its simply not working. Just whip out your phone and voila.

**GreatNeal** · 09-13-2012, 01:20 AM

NFC is a mess right now.
Apple wouldn't want to jump into that mess.
Remember the leak saying Apple abandoned the NFC?
Probably because it's a mess and it's gona get that lots of minus points if it doesn't work well. and probably ain't even close to 60% as fast as paying with a credit card.
Perhaps say next year or 2014? When NFC is starting to become more reliable?

**Timhewitt** · 09-13-2012, 03:31 AM

NFC is not a mess, quite the opposite.

I use it virtually every day, and in more and more locations all the time.

I'm very disappointed the iPhone 5 did not include NFC.

**digitalfan** · 09-13-2012, 03:41 AM

I think people don't understand what NFC is. Sure, it has a feature to pay for things, but remember WebOS and tap to share? Being able to move a web page, games, or any saved data from just tapping phone to another device. Imagine being able to tap your iPhone to your iMac, with iTunes up, and instantly your iPhone 5 syncing. No connection required. Imagine having a movie on your iPhone and tapping your iPad, or even your Apple TV, and bam, that movie ... Right where you stoped watching it ... Is now on the big screen.

Apple had a chance. They could have shown innovation. They choose evolution. Nothing wrong with it, sure, but when they show this next year with the iPhone 5S, you can't say they invented it. Because they will be copying the million Android devices and WP devices doing these things.

Heck, the whole Nexus Q is a cool idea. That's innovation.

**jeffgus** · 09-13-2012, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by jrsharp70

[url=http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57441842-94/is-nfc-killing-google-wallet/]Is NFC killing Google Wallet? | Mobile - CNET News[/url]

Old news... Google Wallet now allows any CC to be added into the system. In fact, they are discontinuing the use of their Google card that came preloaded in the Wallet app. I just used Wallet with my debit card number today at a 7-Eleven. Pretty darn cool. NFC is more secure than standard mag stripe cards.

I don't think it's Google's fault that carriers are trying to not be dumb pipes and get into the payment picture. There are ways to load Google Wallet on to Verizon phones.

**SeanHRCC** · 09-13-2012, 07:37 AM

It's an infant tech...bottom line. When it get's on it's feet and it's readily available in a more wide spread nature, I'll consider it a more pressing option, right now, i personally don't have a need for it...that's not to say everyone should feel the same, but I'm not making decisions on new phones based on the inclusion of NFC or not.

**Gus2259** · 09-13-2012, 07:38 AM

In most of the stores were I live NFC or even passport really wouldn't be that valuable feature. The reason is most of the card readers require a card oriented swipe and not just a hold of a card close to the reader. The exception I can think of is Exxon gas stations where they do have the tap n go and some McDonald's which have a fast pass.

If the stores would change the readers then I really would like to have both these features.

**cardfan** · 09-13-2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by iPhone4G2

I think people don't understand what NFC is. Sure, it has a feature to pay for things, but remember WebOS and tap to share? Being able to move a web page, games, or any saved data from just tapping phone to another device. Imagine being able to tap your iPhone to your iMac, with iTunes up, and instantly your iPhone 5 syncing. No connection required. Imagine having a movie on your iPhone and tapping your iPad, or even your Apple TV, and bam, that movie ... Right where you stoped watching it ... Is now on the big screen.

Apple had a chance. They could have shown innovation. They choose evolution. Nothing wrong with it, sure, but when they show this next year with the iPhone 5S, you can't say they invented it. Because they will be copying the million Android devices and WP devices doing these things.

Heck, the whole Nexus Q is a cool idea. That's innovation.

NFC isn't innovation. It's simply a matter of adopting it. Why bother with tap to share when you got icloud? Why have it if the passbook app does what Apple wants at this point?

I usually don't like seeing people downplay something that's not added (or taken away) but this isn't one of them.

**JustMe'D** · 09-13-2012, 07:45 AM

At the present time, I have no interest whatsoever in NFC.

**flyersfan76** · 09-13-2012, 07:58 AM

There are a lot of uses for NFC and payment is just 1 little feature. Access to private fueling facilities, buildings, etc.

The problem is their haven't been a lot of developers making apps for it.

1 company did it for the Blackberry and it was really cool. Turning profiles off and on depending on where you were.

**JustMe'D** · 09-13-2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by flyersfan76

There are a lot of uses for NFC and payment is just 1 little feature. Access to private fueling facilities, buildings, etc.

The problem is their haven't been a lot of developers making apps for it.

1 company did it for the Blackberry and it was really cool. Turning profiles off and on depending on where you were.

I believe you, but still, those things do not interest me at this time.

**jefftam68** · 09-13-2012, 08:12 AM

HID, the company that makes proximity security cards just announced they will be supporting Blackberry's NFC. I suspect they don't want to touch Android yet since the security on those is scary. But I'm sure they will also take on Windows Phone 8. Every other platform has NFC, too bad Apple skipped it.

**kilofoxtrot** · 09-13-2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

I believe you, but still, those things do not interest me at this time.

I remember people saying the same thing about bluetooth back in the day.

**SeanHRCC** · 09-13-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by jefftam68

HID, the company that makes proximity security cards just announced they will be supporting Blackberry's NFC. I suspect they don't want to touch Android yet since the security on those is scary. But I'm sure they will also take on Windows Phone 8. Every other platform has NFC, too bad Apple skipped it.

This is common with most security access scenarios...emails, text communications, proxy cards...they've had RIM focusing on this kind of thing for the better part of the last decade, no real surprise they went the same route there. We are just now getting our hands on Android devices and iPhone's in the federal government for basic communication purposes.

Apple has never been known to jump on a new tech just because of hype...NFC just isn't solid enough yet, and when it is, you can rest assured Apple will polish up their NFC option on the iPhone and offer it to it's consumer base. Hell, it took them a while to get into the MMS world, and that was quite solidified when they finally offered it on the 3G.

Let's be honest here, while you might find NFC a really cool feature, anyone that isn't purely bullish*ting can admit that the technology is barely in the crawling state right now.

**jubbbird** · 09-13-2012, 09:20 AM

"All right, mistakes were made." - Cardinal Glick, Dogma.

**JustMe'D** · 09-13-2012, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by kilofox

I remember people saying the same thing about bluetooth back in the day.

Yes, and at the time, that is how they felt about it. It didn't mean that they never found uses for it later on and I'm sure I will no different with NFC...later on....

**flyersfan76** · 09-13-2012, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by jefftam68

HID, the company that makes proximity security cards just announced they will be supporting Blackberry's NFC. I suspect they don't want to touch Android yet since the security on those is scary. But I'm sure they will also take on Windows Phone 8. Every other platform has NFC, too bad Apple skipped it.

Just annouced?

They talked about it months ago.

Not sure how ready they are as I have read that HID's normal sensor is not the same as NFC but they are moving to make them compatible.

Either way I can't wait.

I haven't used NFC much and have had it for 1 year. I would love for my phone to have a credit card on just as a back up.

Imagine forgetting your wallet and you need fuel in your vehicle really bad. All the retail fuel dispensers that I use have the technology.

**SeanHRCC** · 09-13-2012, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

Yes, and at the time, that is how they felt about it. It doesn't mean that they never found uses for it later on and I'm sure I will no different with NFC...later on....

Agreed, Bluetooth was absolute crap when it was first introduced, shoddy connections, ridiculous looking ear pieces, components that you spent hours to connect to only to have it disconnect when you were finally enjoying the convenience...it took a while to polish that turd up and make it into something people were able to happily use with little fuss and enjoy the gains of convenience (and safety).

NFC is EXACTLY the same...this is a convenience factor for many people, who wouldn't want to enjoy buying a coke at a machine without the need for exact change or carrying around cash (i personally never carry cash anymore, and can't remember the last time i bought a soda from a machine because of such). I'm really excited about the idea of being able to cut down on the need to have so many things connected to my bank, i have a debit card, a bank credit card, a check book in case a place doesn't take credit cards, etc etc etc...how nice to be able to stream line everything into such an easy place as a phone that you pretty much have on you 24 hours a day.

That said...the tech is new, unpolished and NOT wide spread...it's getting there, but it's simply not there yet. Next year, it'll be significantly improved. To the point of a need for it on all devices? Maybe, i would have said the same thing last year when the 4S was released...but it just didn't progress as fast as one would have thought (i think primarily because of security features). Next year? Here's hoping.